New whites vision metal detector

[simonbaker]

And HERE is my original document I submitted to George McRae of Whites which was ORIGINALLY show to CScope of Ashord Ket UK some THREE YEARS EARLIER (I edited the design for Whites final version, but only after sight ws had of this document).

BTW fold, this document was added to and originally sent to GARRETT viw Regton (a UK dealer) the machine was called the Garrett Digidec GTi. Shortly aftewards they brought out the Garrett GTi series.

Yep, BEEN THERE 20 years before ANY of these guys have (yawn).

And NOW this is in the public domain, Minlebas patent on a metal detector with PC interface (the E-Trac) is WELL void!

Did companies request to see your design and sign non-disclosure, or did you send in unsolicitated?

I don't know about UK, but in US can't send in idea unsolicited to a company without making it "public", even if you put "confidential" in the document. They have to invite you and agree to confidential meeting.

You also have up to a year after making an idea "public" to patent it, but you must have very good documentation of your R&D showing development of idea and that you started before anyone else, and you must have performed "diligence", which means you continued to work on the idea over time, and did not sit on it for a spell of time.

If you have brilliant idea and don't continue to develop it, it is considered "abandoned", and anyone else can reinvent it and get the patent (as long as it still is not "public").

I agree that patents don't mean you have rights to the idea -- only if they are challenged and stand up in court.

Anyway, that's my understanding.

Cheers,

-SB

[Sean_Goddard]

In CScope's case, they asked to see it and we both signed mutual non disclosures. In Whites Case, I had to sign THEIR non disclosure (?????????) before I could send it to them. I sent them one and George McRae signed it too. I still have it somewhere.

I went through the patent process with a company called Guartel. They are VERY interested in the idea and wanted to move into the hobby market, but their Senior design Engineer was killed in a car crash two months into the negotiations and they had to pull out as he never made any notes on his R & D work (it was all in his head) and they could no longer afford to progress the ideas I had.

[Geo]

I have sent an email to Whites saying if they send me TWO UK spsec Visions, thne I will be happy and not pursue the matter through my lawyers.

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Hi Sean.
You have right.....
So you will give to me the one Vision.
(in change with the schematic that i wanted from you to give me!!!!)
Hello SEAN

Regards

BTW... you never replied to my emails and personal messages

[simonbaker]

In CScope's case, they asked to see it and we both signed mutual non disclosures. In Whites Case, I had to sign THEIR non disclosure (?????????) before I could send it to them. I sent them one and George McRae signed it too. I still have it somewhere.

I went through the patent process with a company called Guartel. They are VERY interested in the idea and wanted to move into the hobby market, but their Senior design Engineer was killed in a car crash two months into the negotiations and they had to pull out as he never made any notes on his R & D work (it was all in his head) and they could no longer afford to progress the ideas I had.

Wow, what a story! They sure make it hard for the little guy, don't they. I hope you get a break at some point and some return from your ideas.

Did you actually get something patented with Guartel?

Regards,

-SB

[Rudy]

You also have up to a year after making an idea "public" to patent it, but you must have very good documentation of your R&D showing development of idea and that you started before anyone else, and you must have performed "diligence", which means you continued to work on the idea over time, and did not sit on it for a spell of time.

There is one important disqualifier to the "one year to file" for patent protection. That disqualifier is the "offer for sale". Once you have made an offer to sell your invention or a product containing your invention, you have made an "offer for sale". If you had not already filed for patent before the offer for sale, you have lost any possible patent protection.

Even if the patent is granted and you are asserting it against someone, if they can prove you had made an offer for sale before the patent application was filed, you lose the case and the patent is invalidated and the claims become public domain.

[simonbaker]

There is one important disqualifier to the "one year to file" for patent protection. That disqualifier is the "offer for sale". Once you have made an offer to sell your invention or a product containing your invention, you have made an "offer for sale". If you had not already filed for patent before the offer for sale, you have lost any possible patent protection.

Even if the patent is granted and you are asserting it against someone, if they can prove you had made an offer for sale before the patent application was filed, you lose the case and the patent is invalidated and the claims become public domain.

I didn't know that -- important.

-SB