'bomb detector'

[nakky]

Tests reveal 'bomb detector' cannot work


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ht/8476373.stm

Grt Nakky

[nakky]

The director of a company which sold a bomb-detecting device to 20 countries, including Iraq, has been arrested.
ATSC's Jim McCormick, 53, was detained on Friday on suspicion of fraud by misrepresentation, Avon and Somerset police said. He has since been bailed.
It comes after a BBC investigation alleged the ADE-651 did not work.
Earlier, the British government announced a ban on the export of the device to Iraq and Afghanistan, where British forces are serving.
Anti-theft tag
Mr McCormick has said the device, sold from offices in Sparkford, Somerset, used special electronic cards slotted into it to detect explosives.
But a BBC Newsnight investigation reported that a computer laboratory said the card it examined contained only a tag used by shops to prevent theft.
There are concerns the detectors have failed to stop bomb attacks which have killed hundreds of people.

The device consists of a swivelling aerial mounted to a hinge on a hand-grip. It does not operate by battery, instead promotional material says it is powered only by the user's static electricity.
The ADE-651 has been sold to a range of Middle Eastern countries and as far afield as Bangkok.
The Iraqi government has spent US$85m (£52m) on the hand-held detectors, now used at most checkpoints in Baghdad.
It is understood Iraq paid about US$40,000 for each device. No Western government uses them.
The BBC has learned the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has ordered an investigation into the bomb detectors, expected to report shortly.
The government ban, brought in by Business Secretary Lord Mandelson, starts next week.

Grt Nakky

[ivconic]

Porsche Cayenne on one side and dead people on another....
Horrible!
....
It is tough for me now to find one old Robert's post from the past.
In one of his acrimony debates with LRL beleivers Robert wrote one large post explaining huge menace, risk and danger from charlatanic nature of LRL movement which outgrow in last 20 years.
So few people here realized for real the very important message Robert tried to send in public through this forum.
....
This case, case of bogus bomb detector, is just proof of what Robert tried to tell us here.
By some strange paradox, Robert is now in Iraq, working for one important organisation, on recovery of some communication systems that has been destroyed there during last USA campaign (version i heard).

Bottom line;
Charlatans are DANGEROUS! It all starts pretty simply and naive, like cases we have here on this forum (RS part).
But it is very dangerous in essence. That's why we must keep on "fighting" here against that ugly charlatanic "movement", ideas and pseudo science.
.....
It is sad that this happened, many people died because of that....yet it is perfect example which justify all what has been said against charlatanism in science so far, especially here on Geotech forums. Geotech forums has nothing to be ashamed of. I am proud to be on right side!

[ivconic]

This also can relate to:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16245

But you have to be patient and read all posts there...

[Carl-NC]

I've long understand the danger of LRLs. Here in the US, LRL drug detectors were sold to schools and law enforcement. Right now, we have Mexico using them at border crossings:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/17378517
(See 1:20 minute mark)

DKL has, for years, been selling LRL rescue locators where lives are on the line. Now we have LRL bomb detectors trying to stop suicide bombers.

Hopefully this latest round of LRL insanity will bring more attention to the LRL scams and, especially, the scammers.

[Infamy]

What about prosecutions for companies such as OKM, those in the treasure hunting market?

[ivconic]

What about prosecutions for companies such as OKM, those in the treasure hunting market?

Good question! Although OKM is not best example. Mineoro would be better example.

[Qiaozhi]

Here's some more information ->
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6997859.ece
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1876388.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01...detector_bust/

The inventor is quoted as saying:
“We have been dealing with doubters for ten years. One of the problems we have is that the machine does look a little primitive. We are working on a new model that has flashing lights.”

No comment:
However the device has some defenders in Iraq. Major General Jihad al-Jabiri, the head of the Interior Ministry's directorate for combat explosives, said: "Whether it's magic or scientific, what I care about is detecting bombs. I don't care what they say. I know more about bombs than the Americans do. In fact, I know more about bombs than anyone in the world."

[ivconic]

"... don't care what they say. I know more about bombs than the Americans do. In fact, I know more about bombs than anyone in the world...."

He should "care"!!!
Maybe he knows more about bombs...but he don't know nothing about detectors...that was the problem!

[kt315]

Saddam Hussein was more adequate knowledgeable man. this modern Iraqi government seems all idiotics and blindly believes western tales. probably the Iraqi civilization intellectually has died

[Carl-NC]

The problem is getting someone to file a lawsuit. After you've spent $5000 for a bogus LRL, are you going to spend another $5000 to hire a lawyer?

[grungymike]

again and again...

Reading this thread reminds me of an incident 35 years ago. A bunch of Bell Huey Cobras went down in 'nam because of falsified heat treatment records that resulted in weak rotor mainshafts. Somebody went to prison for that one.

Anytime procurement is made regarding components or systems for racing, aerospace, deep sea, military application, medical, or any environment where system failure could result in loss of life, utmost attention must be given to ONGOING quality assurance considerations.

That the Iraqi government spent that much on what appears to be a system that would have failed even a basic initial performance evaluation, suggests that their procurement system needs some refining re. quality control protocols.

As for the gentleman running the company that sold this deadly crap, I like the way the Chinese government deals with dishonest businesspeople- they hang 'em...

Bernie, are you listening???

gm

[Qiaozhi]

That the Iraqi government spent that much on what appears to be a system that would have failed even a basic initial performance evaluation, suggests that their procurement system needs some refining re. quality control protocols.

In this case it probably has more to do with corruption than with any quality control protocol.

[Muntari]

After nearly 10 years of work on my MPI demining detector project and having poured many $k of my own hard earned into the project after seeing first hand the devestation UXO and APM can and do afflict on communities, I think anyone who can think of such insane scams without a thought to the dire consequences, man ..... p....s me off. Very sick, very greedy and very heartless. Suicide bombings are bad enough without adding to the problem....

Hope those involved get what they deserve.

Cheers

Muntari

[Rov]

Hi Muntari,hows your project going?Feel sure any if any outcomes will come from OZ.from deep developers like you.as we know ML started this way,an contibute globaly in the biggest way!Cheers! Rov.