Jeohunter - Visual Ground Scanner

[Ronin]

Dear Ronin,

Could you please give some links to second hand Jeosonar/hunter ads and some articles about these devices?

Thanks,
De Jager

Ofc i m gonna give right now below:
http://intoko.kijiji.com.tr/c-Satili...AdIdZ196283489

http://www.alalimsatalim.com/ikincie...tor/245687.htm

http://www.sahibinden.com/search.php...irst_activated

And there are many more in Turkish Thunting forums but i ain't put them all here it will take enough space in the forum. The last link has enough 2nd hand of this unit.
These prices are without bargain up till now. If you bargain you can get almost %20 more discount from fed up people

Article means what exactly?

If you want the user's opinions who are using in Turkiye then i will advise you join to defineyolu.com . But unfortunately all are in Turkish. You may mislead the meaning of the discussions by translating google.

Regards

[Ronin]

Dear funfinder, first of all, you misunderstood about soil digging. I mentioned about Nokta's device. That is %100 unbalanced device in highly mineralized soils. Because even the producer could not make correct adjustment to discriminate GOLD as "gold" under the hot rock. Gold has seen as iron, under the hot rock by this device. Therefore i doubt about the device which is not be able to set properly even by the producer.

Abt the screen resolution i meant something else, you mislead it also. Here Makro and Nokta sell these toys as RADAR. Ground penetrating radar.
With this much bad res. how they can even claim it is a GPR?? Thus it is not GPR, very clear, right? So at least these people must not cheat costumers by stupid claims.

About the price, believe me it's army shaped, screened tinsel unit does not worth to it's performance.
9cm dia. cannonball will be easily picked up by many cheap vlf detectors from that 60cm distance. Beliave me my gmaxx2, nrg, oldie white's eagle spectrum will kill it from that distance. And even they are less than half price of this device.
About their big coils, huh, try to carry for some hours them you will see how it suffers. At least big coils of Pulse Metal Detectors are lighter and easier to carry.

The video i put to Turkish thunting forum shows how simple metal detector it is. Why you exaggareted it? 5lt tin with %90 sensitivity max. distance on air test 120cm!! You think this is good distance for 35x45cm dia. coil?? And it discriminates as non-ferrous metal for this tin. Failed absolutly.
Then try gmaxx2 and NRG with 27cm dia. coils to see how simple units beat it!

P.S: Makro is given to prosecution from some of the costumers. 1 of them i know personally very close. Why is given? The things what they claim while selling is not correct in real ground conditions and it is not a radar nor jeo...something!!

By the way, my 1 friend is selling his Golden King DPR full set for 1500 Euro. If anybody wants i can arrange to get in touch with him. But frankly i do not recommend these toys

Regards,

[Funfinder]

Hey ronin - thx - nice answer but no reason to get upset! Keep it cool!

OK, your links tell us the Jeosonar costs new 4800 TL in Turkey - about 2500 Euro. And buying used units is a special and often critical case.

I know you mentioned Nokta with "digging out nothing", but the ground balancing everywhere is similar.

Distinguishing metal through thick hot-rocks or mineralized stones is a special case. And gold is not always the same - 365 gold alloy contains almost 2/3 of other metal.

OK, the Radar issue is something else but has just indirectly to do with monitor resolution. Jeohunter displays the grafical output of the electronical data including measured values.

Nokta claims the screen will display at least silhouttes and shapes of the real form a buried object has. As example those pan or golden frog. Does it really work?

> About their big coils, huh, try to carry for some hours them you will see how it suffers

Not really - 'cause most of the time you have to dig stuff out - and how much that "hurts" also depends on someones strenght. It's the wrong way limiting coil-size just because some guys can't bear it for a longer time.

Please post your video link again so there is no misunderstanding. The turkish video from the makrodetectörs test parcour (looking like some sort of bridge) with those stone steps and holes in the ground isn't yours? So please show us your test video, even if its Nokta.

> 5lt tin with %90 sensitivity max. distance on air test 120cm!! You think this is good distance for 35x45cm dia. coil??

This depends on alot factors "what is good", but the values on the Nokta page tell:
http://english.noktadedektor.com/golden-king-dpr.asp

10 x 10cm: 110 cm
20 x 20cm: 140 cm

If someone likes to buy a detektor with around 15'' coil that goes to 2meters he can! But I doubt those will find a 60x60cm crate at: 270 cm (all values Nokta in air with 35x45cm coil - see homepage)

Dear ronin, please don't forget those are no toys but specialized for deep search, even if you have bad experience under usual conditions.

Those large coils aren't made just out of fun but to break up the depth-borders others couldn't! This is pioneer-work and sometimes also leads to new problems the actual mainstream-technic doesn't have. Every detector has his drawbacks and claiming much better search-results as the practical truth - not only Nokta does it. This is a problem since a long time because of the many different test- and search-situations.

I'm shure you will sell that full Nokta package for 1500 Euro but I won't sell my Jeohunter, I even wouldn't give it back for the full purchase-price.

[Ronin]

Owww i m very sorry guyz, i made Jeosonar name high by wrong information. I m sorry i misinformed you about the video. Here is the video:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7260026/18939693

It is worst than what i remembered

Coil is the biggest
Target is: 5lt oil tin
Distance: 130cm test on air

[Ronin]

OK, your links tell us the Jeosonar costs new 4800 TL in Turkey - about 2500 Euro. And buying used units is a special and often critical case.

My buddy, 2500 Euro has never been in real. You know if you go to Makro and see the device and do not buy, they take your mobile number and call you all the time back. Saying to you a lot of compliments. Special discounts, special offer etc bla bla.

You know, lastly my 1 friend who gave them to trial, bought new Jeosonar for 2900 lira=1400 Euro from factory of MAKRO. Because yea he is a special costumer even unknown. Marketing tricks

After 2 months of purchase, he saw that is not discriminating most of the metals buried under the ground as they claimed and called them for complaining. What they said is to change his device with new one.
Haha yea test on air with pure metals discriminates very well inside office. But how about real underground conditions? Yes! he saw the trick and Makro is under prosecution right now. I only know 1 friend of mine gave them trial. But who knows how many others gave

Kind regards,

[Funfinder]

Thank you ronin for your inside information.

Problem most of us are living outside of Turkey and have to deal with usual marketing-problems, delivery, taxes and all that stuff that will cause higher prices.

I know in Turkey or other countries you can get much better deals if you play: "not so really interrested if price is too high..." or bribing persons.

Maybe you could make the real big money by selling turkish detectors to the outside world...


So your good friend now brings makrodedector to court because the discrimination doesn't work? Does he wants his money back for testing some other detector?

From my own experience the iron-off modus works very well but of course for smaller iron objects only. And for shure under ground. And if the object is made out of steel it get's displayed after a scan.

Thank you for the video-link.

Of course this test didn't happen under best conditions;
Let me take a look what the Jeohunter Page says:
http://www.makrodedektor.com/urun_alt.asp?c_id=457

600x1000mm coil:
10x10cm @ 96cm
20x20cm @ 154cm
30x30cm @ 185cm

The values in air for the 360x440mm coils are ok, I had tested it. I have no 1m coil but your result is very near and under better test-condition with Ground Balancing correct set and reseted to zero I'm shure you had got at least 1,5m with the oil-tin. Size of this tin seems to be ca. 10x25cm.

Why is this the worst you ever remembered?
Depending what position the object has (horizontally, vertically) this comes near the given values.

btw. that 100x60cm coil is for larger objects 2-5m deep.

"He saw the trick!"



Sorry but what kind of crazy trick should that be?
Metal detection or discrimination that works in air also works in soil - the question is just: how good!
And the Jeohunter has the ability to scan the object so you can get much more detailed info about the metal.
And even that can change by alloy or different size and position of metal under ground. Alot detectors will signal large metal-objects even as best silver signal.

OK - keep us informed about the "evil side" of Nokta and Makrodedektör and please tell me what do you think the best detektor for deep buried little coins and other objects so far is.

The XP Goldmaxx seems to be work ok but there are alot similar MDs that can do the same job. I hardly doubt such little 10inch coil really is good for deep objects.

http://www.detectortest.info/index.html

[Ronin]

My friend, you don't know many things about Turkiye and Nokta-Makro affairs. Take it easy now:

Here in their website 60x100cm sized coils depths are written. Can you see the depth they wrote 10-12m ???
Do you see that is a 12.5Khz working device?
What they wrote there:" Metals buried under the ground for many years, generates a magnetic field such as transmitter and therefore this causes our device detects 3-4 times deeper than usual depths."
Now the claim above is not a joke Makro can claim such funny things. Not unusual for us. But for you this is ultra mega tech. right?

The size of that 5lt oil tin at least 30 x 18 x 12cm and is a big bulk metal. %90 sensitivity adjustment with this big coil in the video shown max. distance is 120cm. And discrimination is awful, says precious metal(non-ferrous).

Most of the costumers will go to court for sure, not because it ain't discriminate well, but owing to have misinformation and cheating from Makro-Nokta!

Another point that you may not know is MAKRO=NOKTA.

With the device they are giving 1 book about "Treasure Signs and Explanations". Probably you don't have it because it is rubbish for abroad. Anyhow, inside that Makro Book(Makro Published and Makro logo is everywhere), there Nokta's devices being advertised in almost every page.
One side Makro written the other side Nokta Devices(such as nokta 106-horrible fraud).

[Funfinder]

Sorry my pal, but what you are doing is just concentrating on some "bad factors".

The Jeohunter or Nokta isn't your taste, weight or whatever - so just get a different detector.

But all those points you are criticising doesn't prove that all is bad and false and a fraud and whatever else.

Don't you think your demands are a bit too high for a metal-detector?

In your last post you concentrate on that "special topic": Maximum depth.

We all know, that this values also other brands wanna tell us may be for real, but most of the time just under "near clinical test conditions".

This means:
First the Unit stands where no metal at all is and after this before a very huge metal object or even a truck.

If you please would forget about those unrealistic "maximum depth" values you could concentrate on the given 50cm to 3-4meter ones and those at least for Jeohunter in air are correct.

What's the maximum depth for the Goldmaxx2? Please test it with an 1x1m sized Metal object.


Next topic:
We don't know everything about Nokta-Makro affairs but you don't know all, too. We know they've splitted and having a fight because of differences how to develope further detectors. As we can see:

Jeohunter/Jeosonar vs. Nokta Golden King.

Those use different monitors, mainboards and even the coils are slightly different now. And there exists a very large price-difference between Nokta and Jeo.

Ronin, you can't talking bad about a large company just because you dislike the detector because of your extremly high and eventually totally unrealistic demands!

Makrodedektor creates very good demining units and also other metal detectors. If the Jeosonar is too bulky for you and you have no real use for deep-search anyway have fun with a lighter and cheaper detector!

I've got the german version of the "gift book" and this doesn't contain any promotion for Makro or Nokta.

And not: MAKRO=NOKTA
but: NOKTA was MAKRO
(from Family: Mühendislik)

And if Nokta makes a fraud -
or what you talk about here: > "such as nokta 106-horrible fraud"
and works with very unfair prices it doesn't mean that makrodedektör is totally the same!


I'm very glad at least one company did create some real good different metal-detector invention compared to all that "everything almost the same"-stuff you can get all over the world and cracked the limits that all those "light-detectors" never will because of their often for real very limited construction-ideas!

And ronin - if you wanna tell us that 1,5meters for such a "lousy" oil-can is a very bad result please tell us what kind of alternative you think about. But don't come with a P.I. that has no real good working discrimination at all and has big problems with mineralized soil. If you really know so much about detectors tell us the solution that makes us all happy - otherwise stop criticising.

If you ronin personally would create electronic circuits you would know how much work and tests there is behind!

[Ronin]

Remain calm buddy. Why you are not accepting even any critics on this Makro device? And redirecting wrong the depths which i always say??
And seems you know more things than us, that you are explaining all their heritage. How?

Anyway,

I m trying to say, it's price/perfomance rate is very bad. Still you ain't understand this!

I put their ads there. You must have seen they are saying 10-12meters depth. I wrote what they say about generating magnetic field. Please defend their these claims to us, if you can. These claims are exactly the same claims that Nokta is using to cheat the costumers.

And in that video 5lt tin, at %90 sens(which you will not be able to use in any ground condition without any false signals) max. depth 120cm with that huge 60x100cm coil. Not under the ground, please read carefully air test. If there is barrier such as ground, oh mama then see the depth na???

In that video tester is saying from 120cm distance it detected 5lt bulk tin. Got a bit closer and discriminate as non-ferrous object. So how you can say this unit has good discrimination even on air test it ain't discr. a ferrous tin??

About Pi detectors discr. believe me they are better to discr. fe, non-fe than Jeosonar. Not perfect but better!

The last thing, soon i will scan Makro's book pages which shows all Nokta devices.

Mine detectors of them are another topic. If we get in this topic Makro won't gain anything!

I saw their manhole metal detector Jeosan i know how effective that is

My friend, why i came here to share experiences in Turkiye about makro and nokta?? Who does not want their own national company export to another companies and bring money to our coountry?? Of course every1 wants, either me. But i want to warn you people(except you) that in Turkiye these people cheated a lot of costumers and their units are not that effective as you and they claim. So beware of them only.

If whoever again wants to buy after all, i really do not care. I just warned, if you people consider or not, keine probleme for me!

[Funfinder]

Hi ronin - sorry I let you wait a little bit, but I've been treasure-hunting all days - with my Jeohunter of course.

I am relaxed, because your opinion is OK for you but if we are going to more technical details it would get complex.

by the way I asked someone if he wants to buy your Nokta but he told me outside of Turkey there is no warranty for nonturkish people without special warranty-certificate. And the old Noktas have had problems with their coils, the new ones are ok. And he told me that first I should test that unit before buying - the price would be ok. But testing would be a problem if I don't travel to Turkey first and visiting you. And the question is if your Nokta has the international (10 languages) or just turkish software.

Besides Nokta now also offers the "Golden Gate 3D" that has GPS included.


Well ronin, if you think those depth values and the performance is a fraud and very very bad you also can go to court and sue the producers. And I'm shure your friend will have no success - but we will see.

In reality almost everybody, every person wants to shine better as he really is - especially all those stars or women wearing makeup.

So if the Jeohunter/Jeosonar reaches 8 or 12meters in laboratory-tests of course it looks better if you tell those values into the product-info. At least the customer now has some clues how deep it goes - better than nothing.

The depth under real search-conditions depends on alot factors - like ground, size, mass etc. And of course it makes a difference if some metal is buried for a long time in ground, if you believe it or not.

As example I found the 9cm cannonball in 50cm depth by only 70% sensitivity and iron-off! This was almost the same as in air! Max sens and iron-on is ca. 80-85cm!


Ronin, we are talking here about one or two special detectors and you attack the search-quality of those machines. OK, the price is too high, we all want to pay as few as possible, but you haven't told us so far an alternative! btw. we had that same topic here already - and the alternative detector was an Whites 808 with other coils and added disc. Not really an alternative if you ask me.

The weight of the coil is too heavy, that's right, but the alternative here just would be some Detech coils. Perhaps the Jeohunter also works with those priceworth and good DD coils from Bulgaria - so far I haven't tested it but I guess it should work. So this would solve the weight-problem a bit.

But now we still have the depth problem - and usual 20-30cm (8-12 inch) coil-detectors really have problems if it comes to a depth of 1-2 meters, depending on the objects size. Not to forget those detectors have to use real powerful radiation fields - and this costs akku-weight.

So the next question is: Is it better if the detector-unit is mounted near the coil (makes searching heavier) or it's better if unit and Akku is hanging at the body?


So please do me or us a favor and tell us the real alternative detector by model name and producer!

It is totally right that you warn people about wrong depth values, unconvinient usage or from your kind of view bad discriminiation but don't forget to set this detector in relation to what is possible today!

Hybrid-Technic always has his drawbacks. You can't have a bulldozer and a sports-car in One. But the Jeohunter/Jeosonar has the ability finding small stuff and very deep stuff. Not deep enough for you, that's clear, but beware of other deep-detectors - first it's the question if they go really deeper and second how much small stuff those will find at all!

With Pulse Induction at heavy mineralized soil you even will find Aliens.


My comrad, I just can tell you one thing:
The deeper a detector goes, also the more complex and problematic. If you have better alternative for the best depth-going detector, tell us. If the Jeohunter / Jeosonar really is so completly bad and worthless as you want to tell us, you already should know about a dozen of much much better detectors. So - please share this precious information with us!

[WM6]

If the Jeohunter / Jeosonar really is so completly bad and worthless as you want to tell us, you already should know about a dozen of much much better detectors. So - please share this precious information with us!

Hi Funfinder, a lot of detectors are better than Jeohunter, even chinesisch (read back to this tread for example). Jeohunter are only very expensive toy. But if you enjoy, enjoy it. This is not for or against you, but only second opinion for possible naive buyers.

[Funfinder]

WM6, to you the same: Names, brands, technical details!
You couldn't tell them so far because you don't have any.

You're fearing the comparison, that's the problem!

WM6 - all what you said so far against Jeohunter is just
worthless bla bla bla! no facts, nothing technical,
just your 1 cent of cheap unfounded opinion!

[WM6]

WM6, to you the same: Names, brands, technical details!

Read my post #46 Funfinder: Chinese detector at 1/10 price of Jeohunter, much better in field (and much easier to mantain and carry around too). Try and you will see.

[Funfinder]

WM6,

as long as you don't come up with real good technical infos I will ignore your silly short answers from now on!

Discussions with persons like you that have such an ignorant attitude and doesn't have to say something really important because they're just livin' in their own little dreamworld with the need to provokate to get at least a little bit attention, is just a waste of time.

The proof how deft and uncompetent you really are is this new comparison with that china detector. You will never learn. Putting a detector with large coil on the ground and listening to a faint raise in volume-amplification is far away from practical treasure hunting.

btw. isn't it a coincidence that the newest nokta model will use a coil that is almost similar to that one I designed 2 weeks ago? A concentric DD that's positioned "north-south" and not "east-west".

What you are calling toy with Nintendo-LCD in fact is THE innovation but peoples like you WM6 just are a bit too retard or "retro" for understanding this. I really regret it to post all those MD-schematics here for free so that such an unthankful, untechnical and unfair person like you could get them.
But you never will get anything from me again! Especially no further attention to your more than worthless, time- and emotions-wasting comments! While you WM6 played too much with electronic some serious circuits in your brain got damaged! My deepest symphathy!

[Funfinder]

Alu-Case @ 2 Meter!

Here my new alu-case test video:

http://www.multiupload.com/MTN641ABR4

It has a size of 46x33x15cm and gets detected in air from 2m distance with alot other metal stuff around in a distance of ca. 2-4 meters.

It was a bit complicated to reset it to the silent "zero" area inbetween of cavity and metal because the human body also has some influence to the searchcoil if its too close.

I did hung the alucase on a rope and the digicam also, thats why the video is vertically. The movement of the case was about 1 meter from signal on to signal off, so the coil is pretty directive.

The folding 2m ruler directly starts from the coil-level (you can see this clear when I'm zooming in) and goes straight the full lenght to where the alucase is.

Because the alucase is horizontally while the coil is vertically positioned the distance is little bit less as if both would cover with their shape.

btw. the above very large tin-roof was detected from 5m distance easily.

The test was made with iron off and 100% sensitivity, thats why you can hear sometimes some "background-noise" beeps even when the coil stands still.

In practice you can move the coil with 80 or 90% sensitivity with no problem if the ground is not too complicated and leave the iron modus at on for better sensitivity. If you get a signal, you can still check what kind of metal it is and decide to dig it out or not. btw. I put a small gum-plug where the coil-cable goes into the holder-tube so that heavy cable doesn't moves by chance and no longer causes wrong signals.

With 80 or 90% sensitivity and iron on you should be able to detect a buried alucase at 160 to 180cm depth.

Finally an important info about the price:
The Jeohunter did cost in February when I bought it 3450 Euro (inclusive austrian taxes 20%), in April until now 3190 Euro but because of the weak Euro etc. macrodedector wants to adjust the price so in the near future the reseller price will be 3900 Euro!

This is no joke, I was informed about this from a very reliable person! So if you play with the thought to get such machine buy it soon, because 700 Euro (almost 1000 dollars) is a lot money. btw. Nokta prices did drop a whole 1600 Euro, but they still cost 4150 and 5350 Euro. But as you can see unhappy customers can force companies to make fairer prices, otherwise they will boykott them, make negative propaganda and buy other MDs. But because the Jeohunter is the same good as the Golden King better save those 1000 Euros or actually 1270 Dollars plus and don't wait until they raise the price!!

btw. my next test will be outside in nature with an iron door I "found" the other day (ca. 1,8m x 65cm). I will take two 2m rulers and the digicam with me so I can show you this test here - this time with no nearby metal at all. I will make it today or in the next few days.