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    For the record, I am a lover and collector of “old technology” in the form of electronics, radios, hi-fi and technical literature. I also attend steam fairs to watch and marvel at the hissing monsters of yesteryear that plowed our farmland and hauled heavy loads. A short distance from where I live is the Great Western Railway Society where they restore the steam locomotives that pulled our trains until the advent of diesel. For the same reason, I attend at least one of their open days. Why do I “waste” my time? Take the electrical side of things; my home hi-fi is a tube amplifier, 1950’s circuit, triode connected output stage, feeding two 1960’s design tapered pipe speaker enclosures. As well as CD, I still play vinyl on a 1960’s transcription turntable. The sound? As good as any modern state of the art equipment, and that is not just my opinion. The appearance? Much less clinical, more warm and friendly plus the system is easily modified for experimentation.


    So why not metal detectors? The technical paper that I still refer to today on the basic theory of PI was written in 1956. At that time it was not possible to construct a practical detector and the theory was confirmed by interrupting the current into a coil with an “iron clad mains switch” and looking at the return waveform with timer/relay circuit for the pulse delay, cathode follower, and a Cossor tube scope. This paper even gives another reference to a paper written in 1896! Up until three years ago I used a Tektronix 545 tube oscilloscope to set up both industrial and hobby PI detectors. The reliability, triggering and brightness of display was second to none. It also doubled as a room heater during the winter. I still have it as standby in case my present, admittedly smaller, lighter and more portable, scope should fail.


    Like the 1956 PI paper, a study of old designs which either had serious limitations or were not even practical may bear further examination in the light of today’s technology. Who can say that the BFO will not return to popularity or that the “two box” locator does not have a future. I would love to find the time to investigate a PI two box as I think it has some interesting possiblities. Study and construction of past metal detector designs is educational at the very least and, who knows, someone may stumble on a refinement or even a totally different approach which opens up the whole technology again.


    By the way Carl, I will edit and revise my “old” PI articles in due course so that you can post them in a corner on your forum.


    Eric.

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    >As well as CD, I still play vinyl on a 1960’s transcription turntable.


    My personal favorite is the linear-tracking air bearing turntable. I have an air-bearing tonearm and would like to (one day) build a turntable to play my old half-mastered LPs.


    >By the way Carl, I will edit and revise my “old” PI articles in due course so that you can post them in a corner on your forum.


    Excellent! Thanks Eric.

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      hi eric,carl,all--


      md has become a recentish (again) interest for me.


      coming off the laser interest...the point is


      another advantage to the "old and lousy"


      :vs: "new and improved"---remember the 12at7 etc...


      when working with high voltages and capacitor


      discharges the rugged old tubes have definate


      advantage---where as the solid state if not


      properly designed for such enviroment can be


      destoyed....and even still in the quest to learn,


      not to know (from the gut and head) these things


      the individual is found to be wanting and proud


      not coming to a full age....how nice it would


      be to have all---lab notes from edison,tesla,


      stienmets,einstien,etc...yet still how much


      can a man know ?????


      reg-rick

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        Befor I get started, My Hammarlund HQ-145a is just perkin along behind me, Best audio I have ever heard, makes the talk show hoast sound like he's in the room with ya....


        Eric Wrote:


        I would love to find the time to investigate a PI two box as I think it has some interesting possiblities. Study and construction of past metal detector designs is educational at the very least and, who knows, someone may stumble on a refinement or even a totally different approach which opens up the whole technology again.


        My Point Exactly, 2+2 will allways = 4, but if the end result is to simply be 4 there are many ways to derive it. some conventional some not. The overal result is to get to 4. 2 box detectors do have a place, they can do things that can be accomplished by other machines, but in competant hands they are superior in ways also. It was ounce said that with enough money no secret is safe, true but most of us don't have the money to drop on a Mine Lab, great detector, just pricy. I love experamenting with old detectors and boards, Its amazing what improvment is made when a simple replacment transistor substitution is made. I found in one instance that the transistors used in a particular board were NLA, so I went on a search and found that a common 2n2222 was recomended. After the replacment I went to tune up and found that the depth had been increased by 50% and this was befor I tuned it up the rest of the way. Old Technology+ new components+ a "Very" fine detector. We all need Projects, yes I'm shure with his "Implied" knowledge that "Jungle Jim" could probably build a better SPACE SHUTTLE" , but most of us live in the real world and look at realistic projects, one's that can be accomplished with "Results".


        My 2 Cents Worth


        Jimi,

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