blisstool ltc64x v2i

[Carl-NC]

Philip,

While Geotech is mostly for the dissemination of technical information on metal detectors, we often have discussions of production units, and I have no problem with that. I even allow people to post plugs for their favorite whatever, as long as it doesn't turn into overt product promotion. In short, this forum is wholly independent and people can like or dislike whatever brand they choose. The only thing I have no tolerance for is the thieves in China; they are not welcomed here.

- Carl

[WM6]

LTC64 is first candidate for Best forgotten detector in year 2013.

The Best forgotten detector in year 2012 is Nexus.

I forgot which detector was Best forgotten detector in year 2011.

[Daniel Tn]

I did the test today with the Blisstool and the .36 gram piece of gold. I put it in a small bottle and tried it outside. The only way it was detected was from a half inch away in Disc mode 3 and manual GB. But you are talking about an 11" coil and low freq VLF detector. The GPX 5000 and TDI did about the same on it.

Ironically the Bliss will get that 10k gold chain I spoke about when the GPX nor TDI did....nor have any other detectors I've used.

[WM6]

I did the test today with the Blisstool and the .36 gram piece of gold. I put it in a small bottle and tried it outside. The only way it was detected was from a half inch away in Disc mode 3 and manual GB. But you are talking about an 11" coil and low freq VLF detector. The GPX 5000 and TDI did about the same on it.
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Thanks Daniel.

Expectable results for LTC64, but catastrophic for GPX5000, which have to be dedicated to detect tiny gold and worth almost 10 times as much as LTC64.

Are you sure that test was properly conducted? I mean here "Disc mode 3" you mentioned? Usually natural gold need to be detected in All metal mode. Did you try All metal? Which settings you use on GPX5000?

[Daniel Tn]

The Blisstool doesn't have an all metal mode that I'm aware of. It has a toggle switch for 3 variations of discrimination....I, II, III. The weakest degree is III....that's what I meant by Disc 3. I had disc depth to 0 and the disc knob at 0 as well.

The GPX on the other hand.....you must have a understanding of pulse machines. None of them are great at finding super fine gold. The GPX 5000 has a "fine gold" timing that is supposed to enhance sensitivity to small gold like that. BUT it is said to only really work well with mono coils....I had the 11" DD coil and traded my 11" mono coil for a 6x10 DD. The GPX only discriminates with DD coils so a mono coil design was worthless to me as a relic hunter. I'm sure with smaller mono coils and Fine Gold timing that it probably does well. The same machine with 11" DD coil can easily detect a coin or civil war bullet (1 oz lead slug) down to 20-22 inches...have done it myself in Virginia. That is GPX power....running gain at half. With gain on lowest setting I could still clearly detect a silver US dime at over 9 inches with room to spare....IN GROUND.

[Carl-NC]

Today I took took the Blisstool on a hunt. In the little town of Amity, Oregon they've torn out the concrete sidewalks (probably poured in the 30's or 40's). I've been 3 times so far with the Deus, GMT, TDI, and V3, found quite a few coins dating from 1880 to 1906.

After the old sidewalks were removed they spread some fill gravel, which varies from 0-4" deep, most of it 1-2" deep. The ground (or the gravel, not sure which) is pretty nasty stuff. Turns out that no matter what I tried, the Blisstool would not GB at all. At min gain and zero disc there was no manual GB setting that would balance, and no auto GB mode that would work, either. Even trying my best to maintain a very level sweep height to minimize ground noise, and using a slow sweep, the unit was just too noisy to use. The Silencer helped some, but even turned all the way up the chatter was too much. Disc did not help. I gave up, put a little more time in with the Deus, and did a final run with the V3. No more coins today.

- Carl

[WM6]

After the old sidewalks were removed they spread some fill gravel, which varies from 0-4" deep, most of it 1-2" deep. The ground (or the gravel, not sure which) is pretty nasty stuff. Turns out that no matter what I tried, the Blisstool would not GB at all. At min gain and zero disc there was no manual GB setting that would balance, and no auto GB mode that would work, either. Even trying my best to maintain a very level sweep height to minimize ground noise, and using a slow sweep, the unit was just too noisy to use. The Silencer helped some, but even turned all the way up the chatter was too much. Disc did not help.

As expected on experience with previous BG ultra-sensitive creations.

If you wish to test next ultra-sensitive BG creation try this:

http://www.deepscan.de/produkt_deepscan_eds.htm

[ivconic]

Today I took took the Blisstool on a hunt. In the little town of Amity, Oregon they've torn out the concrete sidewalks (probably poured in the 30's or 40's). I've been 3 times so far with the Deus, GMT, TDI, and V3, found quite a few coins dating from 1880 to 1906.

After the old sidewalks were removed they spread some fill gravel, which varies from 0-4" deep, most of it 1-2" deep. The ground (or the gravel, not sure which) is pretty nasty stuff. Turns out that no matter what I tried, the Blisstool would not GB at all. At min gain and zero disc there was no manual GB setting that would balance, and no auto GB mode that would work, either. Even trying my best to maintain a very level sweep height to minimize ground noise, and using a slow sweep, the unit was just too noisy to use. The Silencer helped some, but even turned all the way up the chatter was too much. Disc did not help. I gave up, put a little more time in with the Deus, and did a final run with the V3. No more coins today.

- Carl

Yes that's the same case with Wave too. I think i mentioned that earlier. There is a way to ground it but than Disc turns bad (should open it and examine all those trimmers, than readjust it to ground better). One thing seems "pull" another.
Anyway; i am taking this as fair report. Would be surprised if it was not fair.
Cheers!

[ivconic]

Today I took took the Blisstool on a hunt. In the little town of Amity, Oregon .....
- Carl

I just spotted this! What a coincidence! It happen that i am having Amity stove here in my home!

[barryny]

Karl - seems odd that you had trouble. It can be made stable on wet salt water black sand and Culpeper iron dirt - so your conditions can't be that bad...
You must be doing something wrong on the adjustments - please contact Carter at blisstoolusa for help - thanks.

Today I took took the Blisstool on a hunt. In the little town of Amity, Oregon they've torn out the concrete sidewalks (probably poured in the 30's or 40's). I've been 3 times so far with the Deus, GMT, TDI, and V3, found quite a few coins dating from 1880 to 1906.

After the old sidewalks were removed they spread some fill gravel, which varies from 0-4" deep, most of it 1-2" deep. The ground (or the gravel, not sure which) is pretty nasty stuff. Turns out that no matter what I tried, the Blisstool would not GB at all. At min gain and zero disc there was no manual GB setting that would balance, and no auto GB mode that would work, either. Even trying my best to maintain a very level sweep height to minimize ground noise, and using a slow sweep, the unit was just too noisy to use. The Silencer helped some, but even turned all the way up the chatter was too much. Disc did not help. I gave up, put a little more time in with the Deus, and did a final run with the V3. No more coins today.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Homogeneity may also play a part. The Blisstool was horribly ratty sounding as I swept, and I'm wondering if the fill gravel is full of hot rocks. I took some as a test sample.

[ivconic]

USA soil conditions differs than European, i noticed that long time ago.
Even typical magnetism values differs. USA average value is 60 000nT while European is 47 000nT.
Next interesting thing i noticed at some of metal detectors produced in USA; GTI2500 for example: it's Disc "table" looks a bit shifted and less tolerant. Despite the fact it is powerfull machine; still it is unable to locate nice small coins at shallow depths on some local soils. It is all about Disc/Geb circuitry: too "stiff". In AM mode it is detecting it on tripple depth!
Although i haven't chance to work more with Spectra; i also noticed simillar behavior at it too.
Also at many other USA models. Seems USA manufacturers are adjusting their products a bit "stiffer" to suit those soil conditions there.
Ah yes; Fisher CZ too!
Maybe i am wrong in this; but i suspect that as a main reason why Bliss wouldn't GB so easy there.
Here in Europe we have indeed nasty soils, especially on ancient Roman&Byzant sites.
But seems that kind of "trash" we have here differs much from "trash" there.
That's why we had so many discussions in the past here and on other forums, discussions like " expensive originals not justifying their price " , " those are not deep and good enough " , " local homebrew is much better " ...etc..etc..
Both sides (USA and EU manufacturers) should reconsider these doubts a bit more serious and introduce new line of products, same models, but dedicated to particular teritory or area.
Something like Tesoro did with Vaquero Germania model or XP with Mito model.
I had chance to compare Vaquero USA and Vaquero Germania and those seems are having a bit shifted Disc scales, comparing to each other. XP Mito is dedicated to Italian market and it is a fact that Mito performs much "calmer" than GMP or Gmaxx.
Don't know, most probably there are also other "dedicated" models at other manufacturers.
So, i guess Bliss problem is because it is adjusted for "soft" soils mostly.
Another possible proof is what we saw in that (so many times mentioned) "Beach&Chain" video clip. Bliss detected small golden chain, while Deus, Spectra and Explorer didn't. I knew it is a simple trick, i knew it from the beginning. Deus, Spectra and Explorer are digital machines and have various presets and programs. Switched in a more restrictive program it simply will Reject such small and "bad" alloy. Looking at VDI table we will see why is that so.
On other hand, Bliss will Accept it simply because it is not "restrictive" at all and fact is it is having weak Disc/Geb circuitry.
Explorer properly adjusted in Iron Mask mode would detect such chain just like that. Deus will "eat" it like a joke. I can't tell exact adjustments at Spectra because i don't have experiences with it, but i am sure it can be adjusted too.
So all what Carl have to do is to open Bliss box, locate proper trimmer and readjust it better.
If Carl can't do that - nobody can't!

[WM6]

So all what Carl have to do is to open Bliss box, locate proper trimmer and readjust it better.
If Carl can't do that - nobody can't!

No doubt that Carl can do that, but then adieu those extra depth. LTC64 will then convert back to 1266 with 13 controls button/switches.

[ivconic]

No doubt that Carl can do that, but then adieu those extra depth. LTC64 will then convert back to 1266 with 13 controls button/switches.

C'mon! You don't read my posts!
Bliss has NOTHING to do with no 1266 at all!
I had 1266 and i still have 1265.
We have here schematics of those on forum.
1265 and 1266 are almost identical designs. Minor differences.
It is not hard to analyze 1265 schematic and compare with Bliss.
By comparing Bliss with 1266 you are actually placing HUGE OFFEND on 1266's account!
Because 1266 is one cute and nice machine!
State of the art in analogue designing!
Of course, old and obsolete design from 90's, but still very nice machine, competitive even today. Not extreme deep, but than very fine and accurate.
After all; who cares about rough extreme depth?!
On 80% of local Roman&Byzant sites we don't really need deep machines at all.
We need fine and accurate machines with fast response and no masking problems.
1266 is excellent for such tasks!
Only novices and greenhorns insist on extreme depths.
And even than; if you want extreme depths: than is smarter to use PI detector.
And people who are mostly delusional in their efforts to get fast fortune, relying on their sweet dreams, using various brainless maps, fairy tales and false historical facts, such people will demand "deep" machines by any cost.
I am not against deep VLF, but also i know all the compromises that come with.

So insisting on few very false claims, like:
* Bliss is based on 1266... or whatever Fisher,
* It is extreme deep (ha,ha,ha!)
* It is "better" than Deus, Spectra and Explorer (ooooohahahahahahahahahahaha!)
was complete miss done by Bliss sellers and promoters.

Autogol!
Blunder!
They sold few machines with help of such claims but than also rised much unnecessary dust in public.
Pretty soon real facts are coming in public and people will hesitate to buy such devices.
Wasn't it smarter to appear on market with a bit more modest approach and try to build image on more stable basis?
How about a truth for a start?
Real facts?
Real, fair and objective promotions?
More we think on this - more this reminds me on Mineoro sindrome!
Kinda "take little&fast money and go!" philosophy!

[barryny]

Deus setting for gold chain...please

IVCONIC - "Deus will "eat" it like a joke."....

I have the Deus - tell me how to set it up to find gold chains in the wet sand on a salt water beach.

Thanks.