blisstool ltc64x v2i

[Luckyp]

Karl - seems odd that you had trouble. It can be made stable on wet salt water black sand and Culpeper iron dirt - so your conditions can't be that bad...
You must be doing something wrong on the adjustments - please contact Carter at blisstoolusa for help - thanks.

Hum,an Engineer on electronics working for White doing something wrong?

[barryny]

Hey Pierre - LUCKY P - are you at it again?

Everywhere I go and every forum I'm on you follow me around like a dog in heat always bashing everything I am doing.

You make 20 posts on FindMall, lie about who you are, and all your posts are on topics that I am involved in...isn't that odd, strange, weird??

You have only 10 posts here on Geotech and every post is on the subject of the Blisstool which I'm involved in...coincidence?? I don't think so.

I offered to personally take you out with the Blisstool on the beach and you refused - you would rather make all kinds of commentary from the crack of your butt...

Karl and I have been talking - who needs you to get involved with your BS commentary that adds no value and means nothing...

Que diriez-vous que nous rencontrons à la plage et régler nos différends une fois pour toutes ...

Lorsque vous ne me verrez peut-être vous devriez courir et se cacher ...

Ne comprenez-vous?

HAHAHA............

[Luckyp]

There is is no different Barry and yes I am nobody in this forum.This thread has generated 359 answers with 25.800 viewings.Nothing in comparisons with the Tesoro golden sabre with 5006 answers and 776.486 viewings.
I am participating in many forums and not following you around but expressing my opinions so stop right there.I am not interested on the depth on the Blistool as I am perfectly happy with what I have.
Ivonic and Carl have review carefully theirs answers and the majority of theirs members will abbide by theirs decisions.
By the way thank you for your your attitude on certains beaches on territorriales pretenses et seeding somes with hundreds of pennies.It was a good exercisse
I am taking notice on your warning on the beach but at least you should have the courage to express yourself in the English language so everybody will know what you mean.Are you Threatening me?

[barryny]

why would i threated an old man who can't defend himself??? where is the sport in that?

if you are not following me around then why are ALL your posts on topics that I am on - in both this forum and findmall? all one has to do is click on your user name and look at all your posts - that doesn't lie.

you are either in love with me or a stalker...and since i'm not a tapette - i'm asking you nicely to keep your distance.

[Luckyp]

Pity that I could found a response on this forum for personnal messages.A forum is not about fighting each others but to express opinions about differents subjects.Nothing against you except your agressivite.Does my age have anything to do with my answers?
Your time will come my friend and if it is your defense it is very poor.You are in today and gone tomorrow.
i am not going after your background Barry but do not push me.Forget about me and I forget about you.
However I have the right to say what I think about a detector?
Abaout tapette which mean *** in French, not my cup of tea but I am not to fight a crazy fool,





ans *** in sansr

[ivconic]

!?!?!?!?

Must be a soccer match result?! Somebody win and somebody loose...

[Qiaozhi]

Que diriez-vous que nous rencontrons à la plage et régler nos différends une fois pour toutes ...

Lorsque vous ne me verrez peut-être vous devriez courir et se cacher ...

Ne comprenez-vous?

HAHAHA............

I am taking notice on your warning on the beach but at least you should have the courage to express yourself in the English language so everybody will know what you mean.Are you Threatening me?

OK guys - time out.

These forums are a place for circuit designers to discuss metal detector technology, and not a place for arranging a punch-up on the beach. Please try to keep it civil and don't make it personal.

Thank you.

[Luckyp]

Thanks Qiaozhi!

[Funfinder]

OK, I'm back - after some real tests!
Yesterday the Fisher 1266-X was used and the days before the Bliss.

The 1266 is absolutly horrible if there are high-voltage lines nearby.

I had to use the 75% less sensitive pinpoint nonmotion mode to work at all.

The Blisstool is much better in that case by even more depth.


But the Blisstool made me trouble, too.
All of a sudden huge erratic beeps started while slightly touching the coil-cable.

But I found the problem:

A tiny free wire soldered to the coil-cables shielding pin was the culprit.
This wire should touch the metal-part of the connector to
ground the housing while connected.

This is an absolute no go! This has to be soldered from the
inside and directly. Solution: Rip this wire off (you can see it below)!


And the plastic connector of the pole was broken again -
repaired this thing already but that stuff is too weak.


Anyway - I hunted at threshold 8 and could get very small
bullets at 8'' (20cm) and I like to hear the smallest
changes from the background-chatter level.



@ ivconic

Hi my friend, I'm back as you see and thx for your infos.

You claimed the Bliss has not much or even nothing to
do with the Fisher but with the Wave and it's clones.
Do you know if those also detect single hot rocks by
double-beep? Because this is a classic Fisher circuit feature.
And do you know how good is the bulgarian Pirate Black-Devil?


Concerning the XP Deus:
I guess it's a real good detector but it shows different
VDI numbers if the ground changes, the coil accu is
built into the coil and lasts just for around 10 hours,
the coil has just 22cm and the optional,
slightly larger one, costs 400 Euros plus!


Sorry, but with such "problems" and that very
high price this detector does not deserve a 95% rating.

The XP Deus may be real good for small sites with
alot trash to disc the shallow iron stuff but is unusable
for large "check out the area first" sites and for deep stuff.


btw coilsize @ Carls Blisstool tests:
I hope he can tell us the exact coilsize of the MDs he is using.


But I'm totally on your side with this small gold-chain on
the beach stuff. In that case if the above layer of sand
is dry it's almost the same like air-test if this is just
usual quartz-sand and even if the chain is buried in the
wet salt-water beach there will be no much difference
because of the extremly short distance.

[Carl-NC]

I also got the Bliss' out for a short while today. GB worked just fine, though still a bit touchy. Area was very trashy so it was difficult to pick out good targets, what with all the broken audio responses. Pinpointing also difficult without an AM mode. The weak signals I dug were deep (Gain = 1) so I can't complain about depth. I really wish this unit had a mixed-mode audio.

[ivconic]

"...You claimed the Bliss has not much or even nothing to
do with the Fisher but with the Wave and it's clones.
Do you know if those also detect single hot rocks by
double-beep? Because this is a classic Fisher circuit feature.
And do you know how good is the bulgarian Pirate Black-Devil?..."

You have completely wrong criteria to suspect about Bliss origins.
Take a White's Classic as an example: it can "breathe" even more on hot rock than Bliss, but this doesn't make it "based on Fisher" machine.
Yes Wave is acting the same too. Many others too. Not strictly Fisher's "property"!
I don't know about Pirate Black-Devil. But i heard it is just another Wave variant too.


"...Concerning the XP Deus:
I guess it's a real good detector but it shows different
VDI numbers if the ground changes, the coil accu is
built into the coil and lasts just for around 10 hours,
the coil has just 22cm and the optional,
slightly larger one, costs 400 Euros plus! ..."

Not true! If it is GB-ed properly than VDI numbers are in proper range.
Even if not GB-ed perfect; VDI's are accurate. Numbers can varry in a very small percentage (up to 3%) in different programs.
I noticed small difference in displaying VDI number for same target in GMP and Fast programs.
Not big; but still there is a difference. Fast is more accurate.
So, we may say that only "Reactivity" (Recovery speed) + working frequency do affects VDI accuracy, which is in a way very logical.

Accu is easy replaceable. It lasts approx. 3 years before change (of course, depends on how frequently is used and in what conditions is kept).
Fully charged it can supply Deus (coil) from 11 to 20 hours, depends on working frequency and TX power.
These infos are valid for accus included in Deus v2.0 .
Look here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...633#post151633

22.5cm coil is extra deep considering it's size. Deepest coil i ever seen so far with such dimensions.

"...Sorry, but with such "problems" and that very
high price this detector does not deserve a 95% rating..."

What "problems" !?? I don't see problems at all.
About price... yes i agree, i would like to buy it for 100e too!


"... The XP Deus may be real good for small sites with
alot trash to disc the shallow iron stuff but is unusable
for large "check out the area first" sites and for deep stuff..."



C'mon! What are you talking about!?? Who gave you such false informations!??
Deus is most versatile and most powerfull VLF/IB i've ever seen so far!
Even with smaller 22.5cm coil it is very deep! Deeper than majority of other top models.
The other day i dug 95cm hole!!! Large lead chunk was detected with smaller coil.
And i don't need to mention larger coil at all.

Listen; now reading your delusions and preconceptions: i am sure you never really worked with Deus.
Maybe you had chance only to see it for a short moment and that's all.
Even if you buy it somewhen; give it a time before you can judge about it.
It is not simple and easy machine as it looks. It is demanding machine. Need skills and understanding.

Cheers!

[Dave J.]

entertaining thread

Thank you, Carl, for posting the occasional reality check.

--Dave J.

[barryny]

Blisstool

Hi Carl - happy you're getting along somewhat better with the unit. Remember less is more...at a ground balanced Gain of 1, keep in mind that Disc Depth should remain on the lower side of the range. Did you get a chance to copy down the cheat sheet field notes?
Also - the real strength of the machine is NOT in a trashy non-ferrous environment. It excels in a cleaner environment where you are looking to dig ALL non-ferrous. That's relic hunting, clean farm fields, old home sites, the beach. This is not a park or schoolyard machine for a new user - that type of location is for a very experienced user who has learned the subtle differences in tonal quality to the target and also has learned some sizing and depth determination skills...I'd love to see your reports in one of the above "more suitable" environments...
Keep us posted - thanks.

I also got the Bliss' out for a short while today. GB worked just fine, though still a bit touchy. Area was very trashy so it was difficult to pick out good targets, what with all the broken audio responses. Pinpointing also difficult without an AM mode. The weak signals I dug were deep (Gain = 1) so I can't complain about depth. I really wish this unit had a mixed-mode audio.

[Funfinder]

Hi ivconic,

please tell me what would be the missing 5% so you
could give the Deus XP 100%.

And is the holder completly non-metal?

OK, the VDI may be just fine enough if GB is done correctly by the
automatic or with enough user experience.

But the coil size of 22.5cm neither is practical nor is deep -
an one meter frame is deep or at least a 50cm coil!

And I doubt the little built-in the coil accu provides
enough needed transmission power for real good depth.
At least this accu has to be made replacable all the time
with a reserve accu-pack - as simple as changing a 9v block.

For walking 1 meter forward sweeping 5 times is ridicoulus.

You like it joker-style - well, so don't be angry if I suggest
the XP Deus is for the sand-box but not for real treasure hunting.


Just joking but you get the point! If you like attach a 10cm coil
to the XP Deus for even more depth for gold-nuggets have fun -
I don't care - but don't hunt in large woods or huge areas -
your arms will fall off fully zombie-style!

But the problem is classical and an overall issue.
At the moment the best depth compromise seems to be the
Minelab GPX 5000 with 30cm mono-coil.
And of course my new top secret detector!
Best solution for small coins and larger deep stuff.

Mine with, Minelab without discrimination; for disc'in
the Minelab needs a different coil which is not so deep.

Oh and almost forgotten:
The XP Deus won't detect cavity or hot-rocks, right?
So it is completly useless for low mineralized precious meteorites,
while the Bliss will find them. Correct me if I'm wrong.




OK back to the topic - the Blisstool!

We still don't know Carls Bliss coil size but I guess he uses the
standard one (12'' . 28cm) and in contrary to some suggestions
and opinions here he seems to have relative good success so far.


But of course this machine is not the high end class so I fully accept
some "negative ratings" as long as they are fair and understandable.

btw. The formerly german Blisstool reseller seems to prefer
the machines from DeepTech (also made in Bulgaria) (Models
Vista and MegaPulse) over the Blisstool - on his new online-shop
page the Blisstool is no longer listed. I don't care and I doubt
there is much difference in depth. I think this has private
reasons with the business-connection and the Blisstool is
simply too complicated for alot rookies compared with the
4 button Deeptech RG Vista 1000 etc.

[ivconic]

"...please tell me what would be the missing 5% so you
could give the Deus XP 100%. ..."
It is the price! As i said: i would also be happy to buy it for less than i did.
It was earthquake for my home budget. But i had to have it, couldn't resist.

"..And is the holder completly non-metal?..."
To tell you the truth: i am not sure, never really examined it!
It looks "plastic" enough for me.

"..OK, the VDI may be just fine enough if GB is done correctly by the
automatic or with enough user experience...."
Each detector need certain experience, remember?

"..But the coil size of 22.5cm neither is practical nor is deep -
an one meter frame is deep or at least a 50cm coil!..."
Depends; smaller coil is perfect for majority of sites i have here. Narrow hills, lot of bushes, stones, rocks, narrow space, tough terrains.
Most of those are those i have here.
For leveled terrains i have 34x28cm coil.


"..And I doubt the little built-in the coil accu provides
enough needed transmission power for real good depth.
At least this accu has to be made replacable all the time
with a reserve accu-pack - as simple as changing a 9v block..."
I don't doubt. I checked it. One of the things that makes it "revolutionary" is exactly what you suspect.
Most people i know; had exactly same doubts. Actually: battery is LiPo 3.6v.
So it is real state of the art considering power consumption / performances.
Also this is best possible proof that you don't need huge power to go deep.
Many times before this thing was explained here on Geotech.
I think Qiaozhi gave best explanation, somewhere here.


"..For walking 1 meter forward sweeping 5 times is ridicoulus..."
Depends. Walking where? What kind of soil? What targets you expect?
Don't try to answer, i know what answers would be.
I only want to say that everything is very dependable on conditions and your intentions.
Sometimes only one sweep/m is enough, sometimes 20 sweeps/m are enough. Depends.


"..You like it joker-style - well, so don't be angry if I suggest
the XP Deus is for the sand-box but not for real treasure hunting. .."
My life is very tough, that's why i search for savation in being not serious.

Just joking but you get the point! If you like attach a 10cm coil
to the XP Deus for even more depth for gold-nuggets have fun -
I don't care - but don't hunt in large woods or huge areas -
your arms will fall off fully zombie-style!
Thank's for your tips. I am hobbyist from 1987. Would be shame if i haven't learned such things.

But the problem is classical and an overall issue.
At the moment the best depth compromise seems to be the
Minelab GPX 5000 with 30cm mono-coil.
And of course my new top secret detector!
Best solution for small coins and larger deep stuff.
I haven't checked it yet. Last one from those i checked was GP3000. I like it.
But it is too heavy, large and unsuited for my terrains here.
Once i was stucked in bush with it for more than hour and than i decided to sell it.


Mine with, Minelab without discrimination; for disc'in
the Minelab needs a different coil which is not so deep.


Oh and almost forgotten:
The XP Deus won't detect cavity or hot-rocks, right?
So it is completly useless for low mineralized precious meteorites,
while the Bliss will find them. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Another prejudice? Decrease GB manually, decrease Reactivity, decrease Disc and go for it!

"...We still don't know Carls Bliss coil size but I guess he uses the
standard one (12'' . 28cm) and in contrary to some suggestions
and opinions here he seems to have relative good success so far..."
I guess he bought it only to replenish his huge collection. So he can not be displeased by no means.

But of course this machine is not the high end class so I fully accept
some "negative ratings" as long as they are fair and understandable.
Quite alright. I agree. Same case with any other brand and model.

btw. The formerly german Blisstool reseller seems to prefer
the machines from DeepTech (also made in Bulgaria) (Models
Vista and MegaPulse) over the Blisstool - on his new online-shop
page the Blisstool is no longer listed. I don't care and I doubt
there is much difference in depth. I think this has private
reasons with the business-connection and the Blisstool is
simply too complicated for alot rookies compared with the
4 button Deeptech RG Vista 1000 etc.
I agree. We can not know for sure his real reasons, nor we need to know.
We can only assume and be right or wrong.