blisstool ltc64x v2i

[holyuser]

What will say the Bulgarian in this forum about all this

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...38&postcount=9

[Qiaozhi]

The owner of Blisstool is a robotics scientist that owns Kibertron and has used his expertise to
develop the machines over a few years. The owner of Nexus was an employee of his.

I did some investigation over this claim, and it appears that the owner of Nexus has never been an employee of Ahmed Merchev (the manufacturer of Blisstool).

Have you read the information on the Kibertron site?
Although I applaud the concept of a humanoid robot, the approach outlined on the site is somewhat outlandish to say the least. The intelligence of the robot is somehow expected to be self-emergent, based on an obscure notion called the the Theory of Time.

Anyway, that's somewhat

So far no-one has come forward with any information based on first-hand experience of the Blisstool (except for the UK distributor) which I find somewhat unusual. If the claims are to be believed, then there should many satisfied users out there. Unless of course it's actual performance falls short of the demo.

Come on Blisstool owners - let's hear from you! We're all interested to learn about your real life experiences with this detector.

[Funfinder]

Hi Qiaozhi,

your interest for the Blisstool LTC64 honors you because you also have a sense for "possible real useful" detectors.

The following info is for you personally and not for ignorant persons like holyuser & Co. who understand nothing or prefer to play with their simplified kid-detectors!


OK:
I have the basic version LTC64 since 1,5 years.

btw. I have the Fisher 1266x since 20 years, I'm really not new to this business! And the Blisstool is pretty comparable with the Fisher, but the LTC64 has around 40-50% more depth.

The weight is OK even for long search sessions, the internal accus lasts over 30 hours. But in my case the first time the accu-pack suddenly was empty after this time without any "low battery" warning. There is a warning lamp but it didn't worked, thats why I built a reserve accu-pack by now.

It's anyway a good machine for it's low price.
But as always it depends what and where you are searching!

The coils size is perfect from very small coins or somewhat larger nuggets up to somehow larger objects but not good enough for huge ground covering and extrem depth.

This machine is pretty sensitive but has it's flaws if powerlines etc. are near. Neverthless I found already a cannonball at 30cm depth very close to powerlines with it.

It works very good for steep regions too, because of it's balanced weight.

There's a switch for 3 different discrimination intensity defaults and for manual groundbalance or automatical. The manual GB has also a finetuning.

Usage is pretty simple. The frequency is slightly shiftable if there's a second Blisstool user nearby. The "Silencer" eliminates erratic and static noise as good as possible.

The detector is capable to find mineralic stones or cavity with a double beep signal similar to the Fisher 1266x.


Because of the "snap, crackle and pop" the user should like such kind of analog signals and must work a certain time to know if it's background-noise, a clear signal or an already slightly or fully discriminated target.

If someone don't likes the neverending background-twittering he should go for something else. Of course it is possible to drive the machine completly in silent mode, but you will lose around 30% of sensitivity this way.


drawback:
There are no fitting 40-50cm coils available so you can get a problem at huge sites or with very deep finds. And the coils plastic is not as stable as it should be.

Another little problem: The Turnigy li-ion balance charger is really cheap. A little mistake and this thing is gone - and mine is gone by now. However - a replacement just costs 10 bucks or so.

This is no toy for beginners because of the analog signals and the many possible settings, but a solid and lightweight metal-detector with good depth for very small to medium large items. If electrosmog is near the sensitivity is reduced by 35-40% depending how much information a person still can extract from the noise (repeatable slightly longer beeps etc.).

Perhaps I will buy the new v3 if depth has been improved by at least 20-25%.

One final critical word about those "depth videos".
In the last years video the usual LTC64 Blisstool already found a coin at 40cm with a "good" signal.
I could NOT repeat this test with my machine - I only got 35cm.
He may have used an already somehow improved model and btw. some MDs have production differences, use slightly different parts.

It also has to do with defintion: "loud and clearly distinctable signal"

A treasure-seeker really needs good ears to differentiate signals if those are very close or weak near the signal-noise level.


Qiaozhi, I haven't forgotten about the nail-masking or not test but had'nt the time yet. Hope this info helps for the moment.

[WM6]

I could NOT repeat this test with my machine - I only got 35cm.

Pure bluff.

Maybe in air, but never in average mineralised soil, or it is about your beloved cannonball and not six pence coin.

[Qiaozhi]

Thanks FunFinder for the info.

It's anyway a good machine for it's low price.
But as always it depends what and where you are searching!

This brings up a good point. Note how the Blisstool videos were shot in the middle of nowhere (somewhere in Wales) in pasture land, away from any electrical interference. No doubt this was to obtain maximum depth for demo purposes. What happens in a less ideal area may be a different thing.

Because of the "snap, crackle and pop" the user should like such kind of analog signals and must work a certain time to know if it's background-noise, a clear signal or an already slightly or fully discriminated target.

My conclusion, from this description, is that the detector uses huge amplification to achieve depth, resulting in some instability.

If someone don't likes the neverending background-twittering he should go for something else. Of course it is possible to drive the machine completly in silent mode, but you will lose around 30% of sensitivity this way.

If electrosmog is near the sensitivity is reduced by 35-40% depending how much information a person still can extract from the noise (repeatable slightly longer beeps etc.).

This also seems to confirm my previous conclusions.

If you boost the gain to ridiculous levels, this can certainly improve depth. But, when hunting in trashy or iron-infested areas, this tends to level the playing field, negating the extra gain and making your new super-dooper detector unusable.

[target]

you can see the head to head comparison with the Deus on youtube ,the Deus cant find the same coin found by the bliss ,and that is reckoned to be a deep machine beloved by UK users as a good and deep machine .i have one myself .

as for it being tested in a remote location ,most UK users would be in similar fields ,without power lines ,and its not what you would call especially remote in order to promote the machine.

the soil is nothing especially chosen ,its a dry clay soil similar to what i would dig in most times out .

[WM6]

you can see the head to head comparison with the Deus on youtube ,the Deus cant find the same coin found by the bliss ,and that is reckoned to be a deep machine beloved by UK users as a good and deep machine .i have one myself .

as for it being tested in a remote location ,most UK users would be in similar fields ,without power lines ,and its not what you would call especially remote in order to promote the machine.

the soil is nothing especially chosen ,its a dry clay soil similar to what i would dig in most times out .

Why you do not accept proposal to send bliss for test to one of skeptic here?
You can sent to me, you can sent it to Qiaozhi, or KT315 or some other member not connected to you or bliss production/marketing (and not blind believer in bliss promo).

I have no problem to post correct results after testing, whatever will be. In case of good results I will buy those device and promote it on all forums where I am active, or sent you back in mint "virgo intacta" condition on my costs.

I will done two tests: one on my portable testing plant (presented on photo bottom) for depth and other in field for stability.

My testing plant consist of expanded clay which is equal to (more) mineralised soil (standardized this way to comparative tests):

[enrique81]

Why you do not accept proposal to send bliss for test to one of skeptic here?
You can sent to me, you can sent it to Qiaozhi, or KT315 or some other member not connected to you or bliss production/marketing (and not blind believer in bliss promo).

Sounds fair

[satdaveuk]

The Welsh distributor for them has started selling them on eBay UK, there's a V3 one at 750 GBP (Pounds Sterling). Maybe you should get one, Dave, it would only take a couple of days to reverse engineer it (based on how things are done here!).

lol dont think id want to take a new £750 machine apart

[Skippy]

The hardest part of the reverse-engineering job would be the preset pots, there's a huge number of them, in addition to the multitude on the outside of the case.For comparison, the Teknetics T2 / Fisher F75 has two single-turn presets.

[Skippy]

I've just noticed the 0.1 inch jumper link on the internal picture, I wonder if this is the frequency adjust, adding a few nanoFarads extra capacitance to the tuned circuit? It doesn't look like it's a crystal-controlled oscillator. I would have thought that crystal locking of the master oscillator would be essential for making a very sensitive machine.

[Qiaozhi]

I've just noticed the 0.1 inch jumper link on the internal picture, I wonder if this is the frequency adjust, adding a few nanoFarads extra capacitance to the tuned circuit? It doesn't look like it's a crystal-controlled oscillator. I would have thought that crystal locking of the master oscillator would be essential for making a very sensitive machine.

I've heard a rumour that it's a derivative of another Bulgarian detector called "Enigma", which in turn is an over-amplified copy of a Fisher 1235. If true, I guess (with all the extra external controls) that it's been modified quite a lot.

[holyuser]

I've heard a rumour that it's a derivative of another Bulgarian detector called "Enigma", which in turn is an over-amplified copy of a Fisher 1235.

The first picture in reply # 27, is an early version of blistool metaldetector, and the second picture (which is blurry, unfortunately) is "Enigma".

[Qiaozhi]

The first picture in reply # 27, is an early version of blistool metaldetector, and the second picture (which is blurry, unfortunately) is "Enigma".

Interesting ... so the rumour is true then?

[holyuser]

Interesting ... so the rumour is true then?

Yes, this is the truth.