blisstool ltc64x v2i

[ivconic]

For comparsion:

[ivconic]

Waiting for Carl, the happy owner, to place here his first impressions!

[WM6]

Waiting for Carl, the happy owner, to place here his first impressions!

Who knows, if he is still happy after your posts?

Hope he got LTC64 at discount price.

[ivconic]

Who knows, if he is still happy after your posts?

Hope he got LTC64 at discount price.

???? Why he wouldn't be?

It is always better (and smarter) to buy 800e crap than to spend $50 and diy own one!




P.S.
After all; that's what this forum is all about: to inform majority of people, to educate them, finally to prevent them to waste much money!

[ivconic]

Did i say 800e!!!
Sorry!

Here it is for 532GBP:

http://detectorpoint.com/product/bli...4x-v2/?lang=en

and here it is for 250e and 390e:

http://www.metaldetectorpro.it/en/de...-bulgaria.html

And look this:
http://metaldetectingworld.com/462-1...oolltc64x.html

"Retail Price" !!!

[WM6]

Read this (included field test specially) - best VLF detector ever:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

[WM6]

and here it is for 250e and 390e:

http://www.metaldetectorpro.it/en/de...-bulgaria.html

250€ is for older model LTC48. Regretfully, those prices are without taxes. For LTC64 we need to ad 84€, so final price is 484€ (plus shipping costs).

[slomobi]

250€ is for older model LTC48. Regretfully, those prices are without taxes. For LTC64 we need to ad 84€, so final price is 484€ (plus shipping costs).

The difference between LTC48 and LTC64 is at added a few potentiometer to front panel, of course you have to pay minimum + € 84 about this trick

[Carl-NC]

According to UPS, it should be delivered today.

Got out with the Deus over the weekend. Some things I like, some I don't.

[ivconic]

According to UPS, it should be delivered today.

Got out with the Deus over the weekend. Some things I like, some I don't.

It is not to late you to withdraw and save your money!
...
Deus....yes, me too; i hate it because it is not my design!
Ok, humor aside.
I would like to hear your pro and contras on Deus!

[Funfinder]

Listen - metal detector producers who may read here:

I have now the perfect design:

Coil and holder as lightweigt as possibe, no alu but
fiberglass for complete holder.


Very lightweight display only:

You can place the blackwhite or colour LCD display at
the holder, but only the display.
Because alot MD users just love it to have a display there.

The socket for the display contains 2 connectors:
one for the coil cable and a second one for the cable
that contains the wires for the of course shielded coil
cables, the power for the display and it's data transmission
and the reset button contact.

The LCD incl. socket has to be waterproofed!


That way just a single cable is needed from the coil holder to
the hang around the neck unit.

Bungee cords are nice but disturbing - especially in woods.

However those should have to be a common accessories
standard - the same applies to a second accu-pack!



@ ivconic

Why the Blisstool LTC64 should be an improved "very old"
circuit if for shure Ahmed knew and had already the
Fisher 1266-X schematic?

There are not just some more trimmers and potis -
this is about secret ICs compared to the Fishers opamps
and of course it's an improved coil (besides the weak filling
material).



@ those to it may belong

It's absolutly mean to post some "buy cheap Blisstool
for a very low price" links here to suggest that Carl would
be the victim of "overpriced crap".

And I guess especially some italian shops have "special
connections" to get a cheaper end-customer price if you
know what I wanna say... Paying taxes sometimes there
it is the same like in Greece.

The old Blisstool LTC48 and 64 v1 have had a price of
around 500-550 Euro all over Europe as they was new
on the market. Don't forget the battery case of the LTC48
was at a different location and it had no Li-Ion pack.

At the moment the Euro / Leva is not that high compared
with the dollar so I hope Carl can get it for a better price
and if he has one of the Fisher 12xx MDs he can compare
the performance directly.


And:
Is this the culture-shock of the formerly communism
now with the open materialism aka free market economy
that some people of the eastern europe countries react that
jealous or sensitive or critical?

Don't you guys from Bulgaria or wherever think that it is
great that the products of your country are accepted worldwide,
even in the sometimes hyper-conservative United States?

Isn't it a honor for you that we from the western world like
your products and give you good money for your work?

But don't be afraid, in Germany jealosy, envy and superior
attitude is or was very common, too. The United States are
a bit more better in that case, if a person is successful there
the people like and respect that and don't create hateful thoughts.

But this is alot about culture and traditions and we must not forget
that even every country has his different little regions, towns and
villages where the people are often completly different.

Everywhere are good and bad persons and the biggest problem:
Under special circumstances or in delicate situations the worst
people could be the best and the best can became the worst!

And the same also applies to alot MDs.

That's why we have such pages as:
http://www.metalldetektortest.de/Bel...lgientest.html

(click "Belgientest" on the left)

so we can compare the detection quality of alot MDs.

However there are a few parameters different under real conditions
like mineralisation degree and if you really must discriminate.

And if the Blisstool LTC64-X v3 schematic would be available
for shure certain persons here would analyse this circuit and
would tell us how good or bad this MD really must have be.



MD electronic engineers seems to be different:

Those scratch their ICs, they cover their parts with epoxy,
take "foreign" schematics and try to improve them, sell
their tools to people of countries where metal detectors
are even considered as tools to commit crime and the worst
of them construct not working "dream-machines" called LRLs!

Absolutly no wonder such "things" like here occure in this forum!

[ivconic]

I am always confused and lost in your huge posts, so i can't answer on each point.
It's Wave variation. Trust me.
I made 3 versions of Wave so far. Also went dozen times with them outdoor.
I know that machine. Been worked with it.
It can go deep, no doubts about that.
But it is not that deep to beat Deus and Explorer.
Disc is poor, stabillity is poor.
Not suitable on iron&junk infested sites.
Good only for clean sites.
I like it's fast response.
Considering it as very simple design; it is fast and usable on some sites.
But it is not serious machine.
Can not compete with top originals.
No way.
For example; you are against LCD and all the makeups on Deus and similar machines? Right?
Your main argument is that those are expensive due lot of makeups?
Ok, how about this: with Deus i can always know when i detected Al foils, Lead and simillar.
With Deus i always know when i detect large iron.
I don't waste my time and energy by digging worthless signals.
With Explorer too (had 2 so far).
Let me repeat and clear something to you again:
I have nothing against Bliss, nor any other diy detector.
I wouldn't appear here to post a single word - if i was not seen that stupid and funny promotional video clip on the beach, where dude is comparing Explorer and Deus with Bliss and trying to prove those as much weaker and worse than Bliss!!??!? Ahahahahahahahahaha!


That is ONLY reason why i debate here, no other reason, i swear.
Because simply it is not true; Deus and Explorer are way much superior in every possible aspects over Bliss. Ultimate truth!
I can't stand lies. I can not shut up when hear lies.
Cheers!


P.S.
"secret ic's" !!!?? What secret IC's?? No such thing!
Each experienced DIY'er will need 10 minutes only to find out which IC is where on pcb.
Scratching IC labels will prevent only total novice to make copy, not experienced diy'er!
Each convetional opamp can be substituted with better one. Even better!
It is very easy to recognize comparator from other opamps. It is not possible to hide any conventional opamp by removing it's label.
Also, analyzing circuitry, power lines, signals, gating - experienced diy'er can easilly "decipher" each "unknown" IC on such simple and straightforward design as it is Bliss.

So, knowing all the IC's and analyzing circuitry overall - is easy to understand it and to know it's quality and ranking.

[Funfinder]

> It's Wave variation. Trust me.

Would love to do that, but why first here in this thread we were told it is an Enigma variation which originally is based on a Fisher design - and this is clearly to recognice on the similar behaviour and detection method of the Fisher 1266-X and the Blisstool - but the Bliss is really! much better as this leading and around 2000 dollar machine in the '90s!


> Disc is poor

This is your conclusion because of the wave-experience and the opinion of mikipn. What Blisstool model he uses - the 48?

Disc is not poor, disc is different. Read some old Fisher 12xx user reviews and see what great working methods they have developed to distinct even the rarest coins by the shape of the audio signal.
For beginners it's nice if they have the metal value or a little icon printed on the screen but this is no assurance that a pull-tab signal really is a buried pulltab etc.

I have worked already a long time ago successful with the Fisher 1266-X and it has advantages if you can hear even disced finds by a special short noise because sometimes those have a special structure of signal, signaling "very deep" or whatever. And btw. I'm shure even your Deus or Explorer will detect beer-caps or alu-screw-bottle-caps as "coins" or as good finds.


> stabillity is poor

Threshold is noisy if you set it to sensitive, thats all.
Stability would be poor if the detector starts to beep all of a sudden without any occasion and this is not the case.

Either the ground is heavy mineralized - here even the high quality made in US Garrett GTI 1500 and 2500 get's into big trouble, or heavy power lines are nearby - the same problem with the GTIs.

The Blisstool even is relative immune against wet gras and for search underwater in rivers or whatever. The only way a detector contains instability is given if the coil-windings are able to move around or if very poor electronical parts have been used - both is not the case - but in diy projects such problems are much more common.


The beachvideo could be considered as misleading suggestion if the Deus also is able to find small gold chains but it also can be seen as money saving alternative - this topic is not over yet - here we need exact depth tests so we can see how much better and deeper the Deus detects a very small gold chain compared with the Blisstool. With same coilsize etc.
So don't laugh to early on the floor or on the beach.

And finally the secret ICs.
If those are programmable controllers you even can't read their content if these are locked. I'm working with chipcards already for a long time.
Without the needed input or trigger code sequences those are in standby.

First you need the correct LTC64 schematic and after this you can start to revers-engineer what purpose the ICs may or must have. No, you need a working unit so you can trace the analog or digital data input and output.

Why an analog MD should use digital signal processing?
Perhaps because it is needed for specialized filtering operations or calculations of matching wave-forms and frequency-regulation and error detection and coil-feedback-timing and whatever!

There are different ICs inside and not all of them are simple opamps, voltage regulators or for the audio output.

I have a better idea:
We're looking for a person that owns the Enigma to compare the performance. If the Blisstool works much better, it's proofen that the old Enigma circuit has been replaced or extremly modified already for a long time.


> you are against LCD and all the makeups on Deus and similar machines? Right?

Not at all, and I am not against the Deus, btw. how much does it exactly costs and what coils can it use? Displays can be very informative
but they have to be separated from the rest, otherwise too much weight sums up. btw. the Blisstools weight is really good balanced.

And now letz hope the parcel delivery service has done a good job.

[ivconic]

Forget Fisher 1266, because Blisstool and Fisher indeed has nothing in common. Nothing.
I had 2x 1266 and 4x 1265 (still have one) so far. I made 2x 1265 copies.
I made 3x Wave versions.
So trust me; Bliss has nothing to do with Fisher.
It is Wave and therefore it is based on Magnum.
Enigma too.
It is hard to distinguish which one of those is what, because there are too many "different" models at Enigma, Blisstool, Golden Mask, Pirat. Dozen versions and "models".
To be sure which one is what; man should have all of them, to open them and to see.
But generally most of those are based on Magnum.
I am not making up here, i do have many contacts in Bulgaria and all of those my colleagues are agree on this. I receive those informations exactly from Bulgarian colleagues. Some of those detectors i have seen and tested too.
But, after all, i don't need to hear nobody's opinion - enough for me is to watch few video presentations and to recognize detector by it's behavior.
It is Wave. Maybe a bit modified, one component more here, one component less there... but still it is Wave (Magnum).
Ok, maybe some of next Bliss versions will be something else, not Wave, but for now, those what i saw, are Wave.
Speaking of LCD's and VDI accuracy; yes: in the past, first VDI based detectors were not much accurate. Even nowdays some cheaper VDI based models are not that good.
I had Eagle IIC, Spectrum, XLT, Explorer XS, Garret GTI2500 and maybe few others. Those were 60%-70% accurate in displaying proper VDI number.
But nowdays situation has changed. Top models like Explorer SE for example, are more than 90% accurate. Deus more than 95%. Don't know about Spectra, never really used it on real soil for longer than 10 minutes, but according to what i saw so far; i am sure Spectra is on the top relating to accuracy.
I do have Deus for 3 months (maybe). So far i hadn't case to get wrong VDI number from it.
I am 100% sure when it detects Lead, Al, pulltabs, large iron, bronze coin...
Ok, maybe i will get wrong number in my next going outdoor, who knows? But for now i haven't yet experienced false identification with it.
What about Wave? Blisstool? No way to distinguish between lead and bronze coin with it.
...
Speaking about testing two detectors under same conditions! Ha,ha,ha!
Ok, aside complete nonsense approach at mentioned "beach&chain", but what was the case with coil sizes there? What was the coil size at Bliss and what was the coil size at Deus or Explorer at that exact video test?
Let me say that i have both coils for Deus, but most of the time i am using smaller, 22.5cm, coil. And most of my claims here are related to experiences with that coil.
I don't even want to talk about Deus's performances with larger coil! Wow! You wouldn't believe me anyway.
Explorer coil was 24.5 and on some 28cm at majority of those video clips. How about that?
Spectra's coil is even smaller.
So? No argument!
Look, it doesn't really matter. One detector is good, other is better, third is not so good... who cares after all?
If you find Bliss as most suitable for your needs - than you have most strongest argument to like it and keep it for good.
Same as any other owner and any other model.
Cheers!

[MLR]

Blisstool about Blisstool

OK, now to see what write about all this Blisstool developer - one year ago in his forum. As you know at the moment Blisstool website is closed, his forum too, but all bulgarians who write in geotech can confirm that this is true, because was discussed long time in all bulgarian forums - in bulgarian lаnguage of course, translation with Google, for example, is good:


На 12.06.2011, BLISSTOOL написа:
- Защото Енигма е добър металдетектор! Ако Краси-Енигмата имаше патент, можеше да ме съди. Няма патент - не може да ме съди. Освен това той е копирал от Fisher, но за това по-долу. През 2000 - 2001-ва година, аз бях очарован от Енигма, очарован бях от работата на този металдетектор!, след като преди това бях тествал и копирал уреди на Станимир, Миладин, различни преки версии на Магнум и други. Фаворита ми беше Енигма и по точно по-това време това беше нова генерация Енигма тъй като предшествениците й бяха общо взето пълен боклук, както всички други български металдетектори по това време. След копирането обаче и превръщането на процеса на копиране на печатната платка в реална принципна схема, открих че Енигма реално не е нищо особено. Тя просто е 20% магнум и 80% Фишер (Умишлено вече не посочвам кой точно модел от старата генерация). Въпреки това, едностранно трасираната платка на Енигма ми допадна и реших нея да използвам като основа, при това умишлено не съм я видоизменял въпреки че това да го направя ми е работа точно за 2-3 часа, не повече! И така, предвид че Енигма е базирана основно на Фишер, започнах да черпя информация директно от патентите на Фишер и другите подобни фирми. По този начин, в момента BLISSTOOL металдетектори си имат своя уникална идентичност и не случайно се доказват всекидневно навсякъде по света. Сега достатъчно ли добре разясних нещата или утре пак ще ми мънкате по този въпрос?!