Blisstool detector

[Luckyp]

Hello,
I am new to this forum which was recommended to me as a technical Forum.I am considering a new detector called the Blisstool V3.I have an excalibur2, an xlt spectrum and an old PI2000 from White.
Quite a number of posts and videos have appeared recently claiming incredible depht and getting medium gold chains and rings in wet salted beaches.
They indicate a frequency of 8.5khz and I know that such frequency does not react well on wet salted sand.
If somebody could give some technical infos as why such machine is so incredible in comparaison to etrac, dualfield,Deus,f75,excalibur etc...
Thanks for yours answers.

[ivconic]

[ivconic]

Excalibur 2 and XLT Spectrum are just fine machines. You don't need nothing diy'ed along with those, trust me!

[Luckyp]

Thanks.I know they are great but when I see the videos tests make me wander.
I could also copy the technical data but do not want to be accused of copyright.If somebody could give informations on the 3 features .
Base technologies.
-Induction balance (IB)
-VLF
-Base operating frequency 8.0 khz.
Could a Vlf be also a pulse induction? This detector is made in Bulgaria and start to appear in the europe and American market.I am not very technical so any info will be appreciated.Thanks

[ivconic]

Sometimes i am to lazy to explain things in details.
Wanted to say that you shouldn't trust in everything what you can see on such video demonstrations. Those can be faked. Or simply, it is possible that those people didn't know how to properly adjust other models and therefore Blistool showed best performances.
I would take Deus as an example. Deus can be adjusted to work very bad and also can be adjusted to work very good. So if i want to promote some of my DIY detectors; i can adjust Deus to work very bad, while my DIY will work best it can. Than i can shot a video, showing my DIY detector in best possible manner and at the same video to compare it with bad adjusted Deus and show that my DIY is better than Deus!
I am not acusing nobody here. I am just saying it is possible. Maybe some of those video presentations were made by malicious people or maybe by not so conversant people.
Also i have indeed nothing against Blistool. It is not complete garbage. It may also be just another pretty descent DIY project. Can be good. But certainly it is not better that Deus, be sure in that. (a friend, MikiPn, have it, so i know what am i talking about)
Having previous experiences with simillar DIY projects; i think it is the same case as with Wave and SMW (Caesar). Those are "deep" simply because those are having not so good DISC/GEB circuitry. Usually, promoters are showing us how "deep" is some machine, but at the same time they are not showing us other important aspects which are very relevant.
Complete presentation would be if we can see iron masking, recovery speed, stabillity and other aspects at the same time on same video.
That's why i really have doubts in such video promotions.
Another reason is cose i do have Deus and i know it's capabillities. So once i saw that video - i knew it is false!

[Qiaozhi]

Hello,
I am new to this forum which was recommended to me as a technical Forum.I am considering a new detector called the Blisstool V3.I have an excalibur2, an xlt spectrum and an old PI2000 from White.
Quite a number of posts and videos have appeared recently claiming incredible depht and getting medium gold chains and rings in wet salted beaches.
They indicate a frequency of 8.5khz and I know that such frequency does not react well on wet salted sand.
If somebody could give some technical infos as why such machine is so incredible in comparaison to etrac, dualfield,Deus,f75,excalibur etc...
Thanks for yours answers.

Try reading this recent thread on the subject of "Blisstool" ->
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ight=blisstool

[Luckyp]

Many thanks for the link and I hope I did not start again that kind of thread.I did read the owner manual but may be it was my lack of technical knowledge or the translation from their language.The real thing that surprised me was the paragraph13.Pratical advices about the reaction to the environnement.Thanks again as I learned a good lesson today.

[SVEN1]

Since Findmall forum basically shut down the thread on the Blisstool, the chatter has been moved to to this forum: http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/di...ad.php?2,24714
Where BarryNY (USA) is heavily promoting the Blisstool.

[Luckyp]

Thanks and I knew about findmall.As a water detectoriste the depth is not to important to me but tried to get information on how a single frequency of 8.5khz could take gold chains on saltwater. I know the aquanaut and the At pro turn around those frequencies but do not make the claims of that machine.
I have the technical data of the Blisstool.What I am looking is not really videos as many mention could be faked but rather on the base technologie which mention "balance induction (IB).I really do not understand the terms of balance induction with a Vlf.Could it be the secret and the answer to that machine.

[Qiaozhi]

I really do not understand the terms of balance induction with a Vlf.Could it be the secret and the answer to that machine.

The vast majority of metal detectors are also VLF IB, so there is no secret there.
IB stands for induction balance, and refers to the way the coils are balanced. Please read the Coil Basics article here -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...&file=info.dat
for more in-depth information.
VLF stands for Very Low Frequency. Any metal detector with a transmit frequency between 3kHz and 30kHz is a VLF machine.

As far as we know, the Blisstool is a modified version of a previous Bulgarian detector called Enigma, which in turn is a modified version of an old Fisher detector. The extra depth is provide primarily by increased amplification in the filter stages. This in itself causes other problems, such a instability, which is evident in the demo videos.

[SVEN1]

As far as we know, the Blisstool is a modified version of a previous Bulgarian detector called Enigma, which in turn is a modified version of an old Fisher detector. The extra depth is provide primarily by increased amplification in the filter stages. This in itself causes other problems, such a instability, which is evident in the demo videos.

is this why you are not allowed to see what's inside of the control box? It's supposed to be sealed. If you break the seal, the warranty in null and void.

[Qiaozhi]

is this why you are not allowed to see what's inside of the control box? It's supposed to be sealed. If you break the seal, the warranty in null and void.

If you break the seal on any product, the warranty is null and void. Anyway, that wouldn't stop someone who is determined to back-engineer the design.

The old 12XX series of Fisher detectors were also very "deep" in an air test, or in demos made in pasture land. However, they were notorious for giving a good signal for deep iron, and you could often dig some very deep holes to recover a rusty iron nail. By the time you set the controls to "calm down" the detector, it was no deeper than any other.

[Luckyp]

The vast majority of metal detectors are also VLF IB, so there is no secret there.
IB stands for induction balance, and refers to the way the coils are balanced. Please read the Coil Basics article here -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...&file=info.dat
for more in-depth information.
VLF stands for Very Low Frequency. Any metal detector with a transmit frequency between 3kHz and 30kHz is a VLF machine.

As far as we know, the Blisstool is a modified version of a previous Bulgarian detector called Enigma, which in turn is a modified version of an old Fisher detector. The extra depth is provide primarily by increased amplification in the filter stages. This in itself causes other problems, such a instability, which is evident in the demo videos.

Thanks.I have read your link.Very technical for me, but I am under the impression that buying such machine will be to go backward in technologie.May be like getting BFO's or TR's from the 70's?

[UFO]

Yes it is a poor machine made by *****.

It will find money, only in the pockets of unsuspecting buyers.

You would be better off with almost anything else.

Everything that surrounds it is very suspicious, including the so-called American distributor.

As mentioned above, it is a molested copy of a Fisher 1266.

Try a kit from Silver dog, or even find an older 1266, you will be better off.

[target]

some say good some say no good.
but i have a deus and it wont see a gold chain if you rub it over the bottom of the coil ,so if the V3 can see a gold chain even on the beach surface then thats better than what the deus can see .

the blisstoll haters have never even tried it so look at the comments on the dankowski forum

http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/di...ad.php?2,24714

for a balanced view