Blisstool detector

[Luckyp]

Sorry that it seems I opened a can of worms and did not mean to.I do write on French forums and a friend of mine is in charge of repair and warranty for the de Deus and work for XP.I can also confirm that they are fine on the beach.
It is a strange marketing idea for a new detecteur to try to break into the American market by doing tests and denigrating the top of the line of international manufacturers that have a long trac record.
To conclude I have a fews questions.
Why Mr Funfinder never answered this forum if he was an official of Blisstool.
Blisstoolusa as per their website is incorporated.However in the demos video nobody show theirs faces.Why?

[WM6]

However in the demos video nobody show theirs faces.Why?

To not outshine the beauty of the detector itself only.

[Luckyp]

good politicien answer!

[Carl-NC]

Please dial down the personal insults and comments. This seems to happen every time a new detector is released: claims, counterclaims, demands for proof, denials, and finally direct insults. Does it really matter if the Blisstool is better than a Deus? Does it matter if a Deus is better than a Blisstool? Enjoy what ya got, and let other folks enjoy what they got.

As with most detectors, I'll betcha neither detector can beat the other in 100% of all situations. Which is usually why there are different opinions as to which is better. Regarding specific targets, I have fine gold chain that almost no detector can detect; I could easily show that Brand X cannot detect this chain, but it's a rather meaningless claim without context.

- Carl

[ivconic]

Please dial down the personal insults and comments. This seems to happen every time a new detector is released: claims, counterclaims, demands for proof, denials, and finally direct insults. Does it really matter if the Blisstool is better than a Deus? Does it matter if a Deus is better than a Blisstool? Enjoy what ya got, and let other folks enjoy what they got.

As with most detectors, I'll betcha neither detector can beat the other in 100% of all situations. Which is usually why there are different opinions as to which is better. Regarding specific targets, I have fine gold chain that almost no detector can detect; I could easily show that Brand X cannot detect this chain, but it's a rather meaningless claim without context.

- Carl

[Orbit]

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[WM6]

What we know from "hot" debate and different videos?

We know:

1.) Blisstoll LTC64 can detect very deep in some soils (seems like unproblematic pasture soil, cause Fe mineralisation was not measured before).

2.) Blisstoll LTC64 can filter out some Ferro parts in soil (like horseshoe) during detection.

We dont know:

1.) How stable is Blisstoll LTC64 by retained great sensitivity on little more problematic "hot ground" (higher Fe mineralsation), despite more time repeated question.

2.) How deep in soil can Blisstoll LTC64 detect natural gold nugget of about 1 gram, despite more time repeated question.



Remark: Soil Fe mineralisation can be measured simply by using metal detector which incorporate those feature like Gold Bug and others.

[Funfinder]

So lowering it under 3 you are already in All Metal mode. At 3 and higher you are in Disc mode. At 3 it will barely reject iron, if not at all. [/FONT]

But at 3 and under 3, 1266 will sing like Pavarotti, no doubts in that.

Blisstool is ridiculuosly overpriced, simple DIY project and very very CHEAP.
To be honest,from my experience, Blisstool should not overcome 200e price. Ok, let's give it 250e. Not a cent more.

And last thing, what really made me laugh much; is ambition to compare such cheap hand made with models
like Deus, Spectra, Explorer and E-Trac!

You can't be serious??!

OK, above the stuff I wanna say something about:

It is wrong that the Fisher 1266-X is in Allmetal-Mode already at Disc3.
This wouldn't make any sense, too. It would shrink the whole Disc
range from 100% to 70%.

Mine rejected before the additional capacitor mod even still little
small nails at Disc0! Perhaps small gold chains, too.

And if it rejects already small iron at Disc0 this means it will lose
alot depth at Disc3 and won't detect alot stuff at all.

Sings like Pavarotti, great one, really.

Price - well, you may be right, production parts, taxes, working time,
very cheap Turnigy li-ion balance charger, plastic of coil not really
the most stable, PCB without sophisticated highend chips etc.

But look at the Garrett Ace 250 that sells around 250 Euro. Without
li-ion accu pack, without 12v adapter and charger, 1 small smd pcb
and little lcd display - I doubt the price for the parts is more than
50 dollars and it has the half of the depth of the Blisstool.

Don't forget you can buy DVD-Players already for 10!!! bucks
incl. remote and those contain much more electronics! MDs are
overpriced all the time, extremly overpriced compared with
other user electronic stuff!

And perhaps the price also has something to do with the country
of Bulgaria, taxes, Leva-Euro boundings, the need to buy more
or less expensive parts from foreign countries, costs of
development and personal working time etc.


Finally your oh so roll on the floor laughing joke about comparing
the Blisstool with your highclass-MDs:

First I haven't compared it with the machines you mentioned
so go with your attack to people who did this BUT
second of course I compared the Blisstool with the
90's top range detector Fisher 1266-X and the Blisstool
works much better!

btw. I am laughing my *** off if "wise" guys pay 2000-3000
bucks for so called "high end detectors" if I can get the same
depth or what I personally want a detector should be capable
of for just a half grand!
Stupid money wasters!

Such guys are also always the perfect victims to extremly
overpriced real estate and all kind of worthless stuff no one
really needs.

I'm suspecting that alot MD resellers and producers of those
expensive "dream-machines" are afraid their furs could swim
away if a 500 bucks MD can do the same as their overpriced
super duper mega and huge treasure detectors! That's the
reason for all the hate here against the Blisstool and the
defenders of it!

But don't worry - the mainstream MD buyers won't follow
the discussions here at all, they have enough other ways
finding out what detector is the right one for them!



@ Luckyp
> Why Mr Funfinder never answered this forum if he was an official of Blisstool.

I am not connected with Blisstool at all.

But I have this MD and also many years of experience with
the similar working 1266-X that's why I'm competently enough
to give information about this whole stuff and to fight against
unjustified criticism or totally wrong and false information.

[Qiaozhi]

But look at the Garrett Ace 250 that sells around 250 Euro. Without li-ion accu pack, without 12v adapter and charger, 1 small smd pcb
and little lcd display - I doubt the price for the parts is more than
50 dollars and it has the half of the depth of the Blisstool.

The list price of a metal detector is only loosely related to the cost of the parts. The cost of research and development has to be factored into the equation. And ...

Don't forget you can buy DVD-Players already for 10!!! bucks
incl. remote and those contain much more electronics! MDs are
overpriced all the time, extremly overpriced compared with
other user electronic stuff!

... complex devices like DVD players, that sell for 10 bucks, are so inexpensive because of large volume production. Also, producing these products in countries with lower labour costs, such as China, helps to reduce the price further.

You cannot compare the list price of a DVD to that of a metal detector. The markets are completely different.

[ivconic]

OK, above the stuff I wanna say something about:

It is wrong that the Fisher 1266-X is in Allmetal-Mode already at Disc3.
This wouldn't make any sense, too. It would shrink the whole Disc
range from 100% to 70%.

Mine rejected before the additional capacitor mod even still little
small nails at Disc0! Perhaps small gold chains, too.

And if it rejects already small iron at Disc0 this means it will lose
alot depth at Disc3 and won't detect alot stuff at all.

Sings like Pavarotti, great one, really.

Price - well, you may be right, production parts, taxes, working time,
very cheap Turnigy li-ion balance charger, plastic of coil not really
the most stable, PCB without sophisticated highend chips etc.

But look at the Garrett Ace 250 that sells around 250 Euro. Without
li-ion accu pack, without 12v adapter and charger, 1 small smd pcb
and little lcd display - I doubt the price for the parts is more than
50 dollars and it has the half of the depth of the Blisstool.

Don't forget you can buy DVD-Players already for 10!!! bucks
incl. remote and those contain much more electronics! MDs are
overpriced all the time, extremly overpriced compared with
other user electronic stuff!

And perhaps the price also has something to do with the country
of Bulgaria, taxes, Leva-Euro boundings, the need to buy more
or less expensive parts from foreign countries, costs of
development and personal working time etc.


Finally your oh so roll on the floor laughing joke about comparing
the Blisstool with your highclass-MDs:

First I haven't compared it with the machines you mentioned
so go with your attack to people who did this BUT
second of course I compared the Blisstool with the
90's top range detector Fisher 1266-X and the Blisstool
works much better!

btw. I am laughing my *** off if "wise" guys pay 2000-3000
bucks for so called "high end detectors" if I can get the same
depth or what I personally want a detector should be capable
of for just a half grand!
Stupid money wasters!

Such guys are also always the perfect victims to extremly
overpriced real estate and all kind of worthless stuff no one
really needs.

I'm suspecting that alot MD resellers and producers of those
expensive "dream-machines" are afraid their furs could swim
away if a 500 bucks MD can do the same as their overpriced
super duper mega and huge treasure detectors! That's the
reason for all the hate here against the Blisstool and the
defenders of it!

But don't worry - the mainstream MD buyers won't follow
the discussions here at all, they have enough other ways
finding out what detector is the right one for them!



@ Luckyp
> Why Mr Funfinder never answered this forum if he was an official of Blisstool.

I am not connected with Blisstool at all.

But I have this MD and also many years of experience with
the similar working 1266-X that's why I'm competently enough
to give information about this whole stuff and to fight against
unjustified criticism or totally wrong and false information.

Again you have many good points there and i can not disagree.
Reading your explanations on 1266 i am getting idea that might be that there is some difference in various revisions.
Because, yes it is true; Fisher did many revisions in those 12xx series.
So, ok, i accept that maybe your device is kind a different than mine.
Acutally, right now i have only 1260 and 1265x. Sold my 1266 last year.
Yet, Disc at 0 at my 1265 is accepting everything.
I have to adjust it at 3 least, to void mineralization and hot rocks.

When talking about price i had my "problems" on mind, to obtain high quality material for my DIY's .
Therefore i know relation between "in" and "out" in those matters.

Ok, Ace250, i know what do you mean and i AGREE!
Not only Ace250 - but dozen more! For descent money they offer you a CRAP.
Again AGREE!

I am not attacking directly you for comparsions, but the guys who made that funny video on the beach!

And the last one; first you buy Deus and get used on it, than you will understand my attitude upon this subject.
You can not understand my words because you haven't see it in action, in your own hands.

Depths! Who cares about depths!? Only beginners. Even than Deus is deepest ever i saw.
But i don't personally care much on plain "depths".
Insisting only on depths is stupid. Because, than, Atlantis Imperator II is deepest in history!

Ok, no hard feelings at all. Don't be offended nor provoked. Accept my claims or do not accept them. Same to me.
I appeared here not to attack Blisstool ( not my intial idea at all, i swear ) but to defend Deus.
Because; all Blisstool campaigns do rely on spitting to Deus, Spectra, E-Trac and Explorer.
Cheers!

[ivconic]

Addition:
I can defend only Deus and Explorer SE, simply because i have Deus right now and had Explorer XS and later SE for more than one year.
So i do know very well how those machines performs.
Those machines are worth of EVERY CENT invested, trust me.
Those are not overpriced at all.
Problem can appear only if user is not conversant enough to adjust and handle with those.
...
E-Trac i hadn't and never seen it so far in vivo.
Spectra i had only for couple hours, which was not enough me to gain some conclusions.
Therefore i can only speak in Deus and Explorer name here.
And i tell you; those are worth of every cent invested and both are more than superior over any Blisstool or whatever!

[Funfinder]

@ Qiaozhi

> The list price of a metal detector is only loosely related to the cost of the parts. The cost of research and development has to be factored into the equation.

That's correct - especially for better quality non China MDs.

The markets are different, that's also right.
With all the excluvise brands in those country only available from this or that special reseller... Not comparable with the oil-gas-petrol monopolists but for shure not the best open market solution for the end-consumer.

I really hope China will not only produce real working computer products but also starts to built real good working detectors. Should be no big step for them.


@ ivconic

> I am not attacking directly you for comparsions, but the guys who made that funny video on the beach!

Yeah, that's fully OK and I agreed to this already mentally with you
as I saw it in the other Blisstool thread but because I don't have
a Deus it was the situation: claim against claim and I can't verify it.

However, persons who also have the Deus can easily check it and
if it proofs as wrong claim the authors of such clips would reveal
theirselves as cheaters or betrayers and harm the Blisstools image!
So they won't do theirselves or Blisstool any favor.

> Atlantis Imperator II is deepest in history!

Does it had a 2m coil ????

We need methods to find tiny goldnuggets and achieve extreme
depth like with modern aqua-magnetometers at the same time.
Otherwise depth will remain relative to the search objects-size.


> And i tell you; those are worth of every cent invested and both are more than superior over any Blisstool or whatever!

I believe you, because good quality and engineering of really good
technic and products always has it's price and often really pays off.

But for special purposes or if somebody doesn't needs the
newest hitec-gimmicks also not worldwide know and famous
detectors can do a very good job - even those from Russia,
eastern Europe, Turkey and of course China.

The only thing that really should forbidden worldwide are
Metal-Detectors that react on all kind of electro-smog!

Those should detect metal and no power lines, no mobiles,
no telephone-cables etc. I won't call the used circuits "stupid"
but highly doubtable because in alot situations such detectors
are no longer usable! And the Fisher and the Blisstool and the
Garrett and many more are all using such annoying circuits.

You're lucky if the Deus and the Explorer are immune against
electro-smog, because the only detector I have that is really
immune is the Jeohunter.

Such a beach-video with tiny goldchain may be very nice for the
Blisstool but if there are some big hotels with powerlines nearby
it would look totally different. The same applies to the XP Deus
if it's the same weak against EMF-pollution.

[ivconic]

"...Does it had a 2m coil ????..."

No.
Actually WM6 sent it to me as gift.
Coil was 30..32cm x 28... or something, i never measured it.
In air test it was deepest ever.
1e coin it could clearly detect at 60cm distance!!! Clear and fine audio!
10x10cm Cu board at 150cm in air!
Last air limits i checked was 240cm at some larger object.
But in soil...it was less than average, on some soils almost unusable.
So i exchanged it as soon as possible.
So it was a bit irony when i said "...deepest ever.."!
That's why i always have serious doubts when see some aggressive video promotion on some "mighty" hand made.
There are two kind of depths: real depth and "video depth".
"Video depth" is depth showed under unreal conditions or/and previously detailed prepared conditions in which given model will show it's best and most probably unreal performances.
It is too naive and as Carl stated: pointless, to insist on such "performances".

[target]

i have checked the gold chain with the deus in beach mode and it wont see it at all.
in all metal mode it will though .
the blissttool sees it in the wet sand

[Funfinder]

"...Does it had a 2m coil ????..."

No.
Actually WM6 sent it to me as gift.
Coil was 30..32cm x 28... or something, i never measured it.
In air test it was deepest ever.
1e coin it could clearly detect at 60cm distance!!! Clear and fine audio!
10x10cm Cu board at 150cm in air!
Last air limits i checked was 240cm at some larger object.
But in soil...it was less than average, on some soils almost unusable.
So i exchanged it as soon as possible.
So it was a bit irony when i said "...deepest ever.."!
That's why i always have serious doubts when see some aggressive video promotion on some "mighty" hand made.
There are two kind of depths: real depth and "video depth".
"Video depth" is depth showed under unreal conditions or/and previously detailed prepared conditions in which given model will show it's best and most probably unreal performances.
It is too naive and as Carl stated: pointless, to insist on such "performances".

You're absolutly right, ivconic, the REAL performance is what counts.

And the skills and needs of those who manages the detector under
real search conditions.

If there's just a very small area (max 10x10m) with same flat
ground everywhere it is possible to search very slowly and
carefully at max sens. and if mineralization is low,
air-test depths may be reached.

But never under usual conditions. Even if the MD circuit is
extremly stable, alot other important variables are not:

Homogeneity of the soil, distance coil - ground, angle coil - ground,
distance coil body that may carry metal, signal causing slightly
moving coil-cable, EMF-pollution, mineralization, object in
ground does not has the optimal orientation for deepest detection,
not really totally overlapping sweeps, too high search speed etc.

All those parameters if suming up can reduce the effective
depth to 50% compared with air-test results.


But there really existing 2 different search-levels:
"more or less silent mode" and "critical adjustment".

I see this all the time while working with my Garrett Pro Pointer
that has a small metal lever for simple critical adjustment.

I can pinpoint almost 70% of all targets after easy adjustment
that I couldn't detect if the pinpointer was working as usual.
The critical adjustment results in over 100% more depth!

But for usual MDs it is the question of personal favours and
the provided method. Reset buttons, background noise,
erratic beeps, frequency changing sounds or whatever.

Personally I "like" the critical adjustment background-chatter
of the Fisher 1266-X and the Blisstool as long as there's a
possibility to set the sensitivity to quiet if the noise gets
to annoying or if it starts really getting on the nerves.

With trained ears really alot information can be extracted
of those random or no longer random "static discharges".
Even if the find consists of high mineralic stuff.

But it really needs training and tests, also at which disc-setting
and with what kind of "snap, crackle and pop" a target reacts.


________________


Thx about the Atlantis Imperator II Info - I found those sites:
http://www.thunting.com/smf/metal_de...t-t7269.0.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlantis-Imp.../dp/B0032O3QVQ

Too bad the production was canceled but if they got poor assembly
problems or whatever and ground depth was pretty bad even
200 or 500 bucks may be a waste of money.

I guess for max depth one of the limits is simply: human strengh!

A 50cm or even 2ft coil has it's weight, especially if alot
windings for powerful induction are used.
And the weight sums up if battery-pack, electronic-unit and
display is not made for hanging around the neck.

Hunting with the Blisstool incl. the 15" / 38cm coil for a longer
time-period could become a real serious weight problem -
especially for those without trained two arms for hunting.




@ target
> i have checked the gold chain with the deus in beach mode and it wont see it at all.

Important to know.
Perhaps this is totally the same as with the Garret GTI 1500:
Beach mode = discriminate "lowest" iron.
They may call it salt-elimination or whatever but in reality
it's just a disc-pre-setting and useless for wanted all-metal-targets.
And those very small gold-chains behave like cheap iron
because of the very low weight / total volume and the alloy.