QED

[WM6]

I have ULTIMATE MASSIVE HARMONICS(c)(tm)(r) problems and can't sell it.

Did you try to solve them by cheap digitised sweet patent copy?

Or left harmonics as is and start with UD Synthesiser production?

[Aziz]

Did you try to solve them by cheap digitised sweet patent copy?

Or left harmonics as is and start with UD Synthesiser production?

*LOL*

Oh man!, I'm waiting, that Mr. Sweet invents the freakin "World's best ground balancing and discriminating technology" so I can digitise it cheaply. Unfortunately, he is stumbling in the dark with only three frequency ranges (low, mid, high).

But the damn harmoooooooniiiiicsssssssssssss!!!. I hate it!!!! I darn freakin hate it!!!!

Aziz

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

You know PJ,

I have ULTIMATE MASSIVE HARMONICS(c)(tm)(r) problems and can't sell it.
Oh man!, I need your expert skill urgently.

Aziz

Sorry to hear that. I figured there was a problem with it. I was hoping to see you make some big money and help Howard out of his problems. I would help you but I am helping another person with their gold detector right now. Sorry my friend.

[WM6]

I would help you but I am helping another person with their gold detector right now.

Do you help Mr. Woody to reverse engineering those unlawfully retained (de facto: stolen) QED?

[Tinkerer]

World is large enough, there is a place enough for all md brands and models.
If QED is good enough it will find it's place, as well as TDI.
This reminds me to point again on one huge mistake usual at major manufacturers strategy.
I think i mentioned that in the past too, also i think i suggested that to Carl and few others via email.
It is unconcerned attitude at major md manufacturers upon "small" countries and their "small" markets.
What a mistake! They lost millions already, because of such wrong attitude.
25 years i am in this and so far i think i became able to realize and recon these things.
Huge percentage of those models were sold and "imported" in local markets without papers. Therefore no warranty, no service, no customer support etc...
Many of such owners would like to buy additional accessory, extra coil, this and that, if there was a legal local supplier, servicer, shop etc...
Being unable to easy obtain desired accessory, those owners are selling their desired model and turns to something cheaper. That's how homebrews rised.
Or if not selling (due some damage) than those detectors are forgiven away at some cellar or loft.
Often i meet demands for original new coil, cable, connector, shaft etc...
So you can only imagine how much of stock would be sold if there were official dealers, agents and local customer supports in the past.
Such stupid attitude at major md manufacturers is actually "boomerang" that returns back to them.
Must say that up from recently XP is the very FIRST one that appeared officially at local market with nice customer support.
Because of splendid quality of their products and because of the fact that they came officially here - huge majority of local customers are fast turning to their products already.
So as i recon; other manufacturers has NOTHING to do here anymore, unless they offer same or better quality and competitive prices.
And all the guilt is their. Because i proposed to many of them same thing many times in the past.
Once i sent to Carl email with same proposition. Same i did with Tesoro.
At least Carl answered me. Tesoro didn't yet!
Garrett already made a step forward in nearest country here, so "there was no need to come here too".
So... that's reason why homebrews are coming so "easy" here and at others "small" markets.
Simply because strategy at major md manufacturers is stupid and blind.
So with this post i think i also gave good guidelines to QED manufacturer too.
If your product is good, form descent price and come here legally. Offer full customer support and service. Offer accessories.
There is enough place for every good product. And always will be enough customers to pay for that.
Detectors are not law prohibited here. Those can be selled and owned. Those even can be used in and under certain conditions. So there is no legal obstacle to come here.
And what also i noticed, very interesting, is that; as more people gets poor - more they are ready to turn to luck&destiny chasing, buying detector and try to find something precious.
So there is a future for metal detectors, all kinds.
QED too, of course.
...
Cheers!

This whole thread is beyond repair, so I suggest we start a new thread for serious discussions.

Ivconic,

a lot of what you say in your post above, makes sense.
These are the things worth the time to talk about.

I see that you want to turn your back the MD's all together. It would be a pity to waste your 25 years experience. Let's discuss your views about metal detector design and manufacturing. The insights gained with the discussion might be useful for your new endeavor too.

For the serious talk, the new thread is: Designing and marketing new metal detectors.

Tinkerer

[ivconic]

This whole thread is beyond repair, so I suggest we start a new thread for serious discussions.

Ivconic,

a lot of what you say in your post above, makes sense.
These are the things worth the time to talk about.

I see that you want to turn your back the MD's all together. It would be a pity to waste your 25 years experience. Let's discuss your views about metal detector design and manufacturing. The insights gained with the discussion might be useful for your new endeavor too.

For the serious talk, the new thread is: Designing and marketing new metal detectors.

Tinkerer

I agree.
You may start it and i will join.
Cheers!

[WM6]

For the serious talk, the new thread is: Designing and marketing new metal detectors.

Tinkerer

Hi Tinkerer

Before marketing you need to produce something.

If we talk about garage production all "know-how" answers are given by Blisstool.

If one don't want to bother with manufacturing, attesting and stadardisation, then:

- put your work in public domain and sell uc chip with source code only, or

- sell all to capable producer (e.g. "China way", or to one of Big MD players ...).

Serious talk? Without money? Without competitive design? Be serious!

[Tinkerer]

Hi Tinkerer

Before marketing you need to produce something.

If we talk about garage production all "know-how" answers are given by Blisstool.

If one don't want to bother with manufacturing, attesting and stadardisation, then:

- put your work in public domain and sell uc chip with source code only, or

- sell all to capable producer (e.g. "China way", or to one of Big MD players ...).

Serious talk? Without money? Without competitive design? Be serious!

Good points.

If you look closer, you will notice, that Ivconic does not mention any specific make or design. His comments are for the general MD industry. So are mine.

This thread talks about a specific, new metal detector design, but also about all new MD designs that are looking for a market or for mass manufacturing possibilities.

If it is not mass manufacturing, but a small niche market, also mentioned in the thread, the money situation is even more difficult.

Money can be found. It is just a matter of a good business plan. A good business plan addresses every aspect, from R&D, to design to manufacturing to marketing.
If the plan is solid, and the bottom line looks good, there is always money available for it.
In fact, there are lots of investment banks begging for people to present solid business plans

There is lots of money looking for a good investment.

Tinkerer

[WM6]

Money can be found. It is just a matter of a good business plan. A good business plan addresses every aspect, from R&D, to design to manufacturing to marketing.
If the plan is solid, and the bottom line looks good, there is always money available for it.
In fact, there are lots of investment banks begging for people to present solid business plans

Fully agree. But what is then problem? No competitive MD design? Yes, this can be a big problem.

Competitive MD design can sell itself.

[Tinkerer]

Fully agree. But what is then problem? No competitive MD design? Yes, this can be a big problem.

Competitive MD design can sell itself.

Competitive MD design can sell itself
Unfortunately this is not true. Nothing sells itself. A product sells well, if there is a strong demand.

There are a few large manufacturers. They have been in the business for a long time and know their business well, every part of it.

They work constantly on improved designs. But, with the up's and down's of the market, they are very much aware, when it is time to hit the market with a new product.

They monitor constantly the market demand.

It is quite a competitive business.

This is why the smaller manufacturers go for the better niche markets. Quite competitive too.

So what is left?

Smaller niches. The prices need to be high to make it economically feasible.

Create new markets. This does take a lot of long term investment. With the economic instability, long term investments are very risky. The cost of money is proportional to the risk factor.

Is there anything else left? Radical ideas. Sometimes, very seldom this has worked. Very difficult to finance because of the very high cost of money.

But, who knows, maybe the combined brain power of the whole forum can come up with a good idea?

Isn't the purpose of a forum to combine the brain power of many people?

Tinkerer

[Carl-NC]

Even Carl is so much biased, that he isn't going to talk the technical side of the schematics. Its probably going so far, that the QED is possibly threatening a TDI in the future. (Sorry Carl, but your hidden agenda is so obvious to me.)

I've had private conversations with BW in the past, so I've already seen the schematic and know how the whole thing works. I consider our prior conversations and my knowledge of the QED to be privileged information and it would be unethical for me to discuss it publicly.

I would probably like to work with BW on producing the QED but I can't do that as long as he's involved in an overt mud-slinging campaign. Maybe things will change, we'll see.

[Aziz]

I've had private conversations with BW in the past, so I've already seen the schematic and know how the whole thing works. I consider our prior conversations and my knowledge of the QED to be privileged information and it would be unethical for me to discuss it publicly.

Ok Carl, you are cleared of any suspicion. It clarifies your position.

I would probably like to work with BW on producing the QED but I can't do that as long as he's involved in an overt mud-slinging campaign. Maybe things will change, we'll see.

Yep, this is much appreciated. We all want the damn thing now. We all want better and affordable detectors. I hope, everybody agrees with me.

Cheers,
Aziz

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

We all want the damn thing now. We all want better and affordable detectors. I hope, everybody agrees with me.

Cheers,
Aziz

Aziz I agree, but tell Doug & gang to stop with the stupid remarks about Minelab, other forum members, release date, and things will smooth out for all involved. I would offer a apoligy to the crew if Doug would stop with his negative remarks which has caught hold of Howard and Huego big time. See what you can do. And Doug, I know your reading this. Stop and I will also, along I am sure with everyone else. It is getting old, but you started it and I want to stop the BS!!!!

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

And all this is going thru a friend in the states who copys & paste for me on this forum since I have a hard time with the computer with Carls and several other forums are blocked for security reasons on the office computer here.

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

I guess Huego does not want to stop with the BS.

Patches Junior must be desperate to go to US forum via another to fight his campaign because his computer is blocked to so many forums.
PJ made many posts, in which he splattered his own face with "mud" (lies) to build sympathy & accuse his opponent Doug of "throwing mud." Desperados!

But criticism & critical comment (holding manufacturers accountable) is NOT throwing mud, PJ. It's called exposure & accountability.
That's exactly what the prospecting public should expect from those who profit from them. The manufacturer is accountable to his source of $$$.

But I will wait and see what Doug has to say about it. So it is up to Doug to make the call and tell Huego to shut his pie hole. On till then I will remain quiet.