QED

[Davor]

I'm not your friend, Pablo Francisco is a comedian, and your jokes are not funny. Yeah, that sums it up.
Regarding where I'm from, yeah, there are lots of landmines, there is also a taskforce evaluating detectors appointed by EU, and yeah, there are many companies competing for good evaluation, and yeah, most of them are very good. Would I buy any of those? No. Not interested. I'd rather build a better one.

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

I'm not your friend, Pablo Francisco is a comedian, and your jokes are not funny. Yeah, that sums it up.
Regarding where I'm from, yeah, there are lots of landmines, there is also a taskforce evaluating detectors appointed by EU, and yeah, there are many companies competing for good evaluation, and yeah, most of them are very good. Would I buy any of those? No. Not interested. I'd rather build a better one.

That is great! Build your detector and I hope you find what your looking for my friend.

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Now PJ,

tell us more about your association with the mentioned company. I think the readers are interested to know, what you are doing.

The behind the scene group already knows what is going on with the payola Aziz. But will wait till sure. Then give you the facts with dates to shove in ya face. Ya 2 faced kraut!!

And everyone was wondering why you have been so quiet here lately.

[sido]

Oh shizer. Isn't it just a coincident that when the wording "ANNOUNCEMENT" was made in the projects thread, that alarm bells rang at HQ on the 05 Sept.

On the 7 Sept when certain great looking pics were posted (never seen before in any development platform)....HQ went in total meltdown and scrambled for the phone books before total anxiety and panic attacks overwhelmed them in fear.

Oddly enough on the 11 Sept (seems to be a key date, no intentional disrespect), relief was eased in the one and only way they no best.......and as far as i see it, homebrew for the average Joe is in jeopardy for all, shame shame shame.

Obviously, this project or any others for that matter will be limited in further developments if they win and makes me upset thinking about it because......some of My TAX paying money goes in to their over quoted funding costs.

If this IP does become free and available from courts and if is decided to be put up for sale (hope not) i wish someone other than that mob takes some form of interest in it for further future development.

What has been shortcoming is some other major competition being involved. It will be a win-win for us all as consumers.

Consider this....the money that is funded and given to HQ has to be justified. Now having a couple of amateurs possibly be able to produce a decent and competitive product at minimal cost without funding, seams a good enough reason to silence it. Doesn't seem right? does it?......I bet the people funding it, if were aware would not agree either to some level.

I normally do not voice my opinion out loud, it does involve us all and even though i do respect them to some degree for all those years of producing a top product.......its about time some respect from them is shown to us who have supported them in the past, and that includes us Hobby driven experimental developers.

Sid

[Aziz]

The behind the scene group already knows what is going on with the payola Aziz. But will wait till sure. Then give you the facts with dates to shove in ya face. Ya 2 faced kraut!!

And everyone was wondering why you have been so quiet here lately.

Hey PJ,

I don't like & take any payola. But my Chinese friends like it.

I'm waiting to be sued by the evil company.
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Aziz

[peterr88]

that is great

[Carl-NC]

Hey PJ,

I don't like & take any payola. But my Chinese friends like it.

I'm waiting to be sued by the evil company.
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(that should be enough to get the lawyers acting)

Aziz

Aziz, we'll make that your last post concerning Chinese threats. Take the trash talk back to Doug's forum, I don't want it here. I consider it to be the prime reason Bugs got the SledgeHammer treatment. Make sure Bugs thanks you for all your help.

[Aziz]

Aziz, we'll make that your last post concerning Chinese threats. Take the trash talk back to Doug's forum, I don't want it here. I consider it to be the prime reason Bugs got the SledgeHammer treatment. Make sure Bugs thanks you for all your help.

Carl,

that is not fair from you. Your accusation has clearly no base. So stop talking b.s.

This procedure would have been happened, even if the QED would have been produced and released into the market.
I remember this has been happened to Whites already.

But we know now, as soon as money & greed is involved in this business, the evil companies would do everything to fight any potential competition. I think, even Whites is profitting from the fight against QED.

What an incredible disgrace to a 100 Million $ company, that has to fight against a hobbist.

Aziz

[Carl-NC]

Aziz, White's was willing to work with Bugs on the QED! But not as long as he kept up the public verbal abuse. I explained this to him, he chose to continue, and he is where he is.

I've always asked for civility on these forums. That extends to what you say about Minelab. I'm not asking you to like them, just no vindictive trash talk and threats. You can do that all you want on Doug's forums, and people who like it can go there to cheer you on.

On these forums, you can talk about circuits and projects and technology, offer ideas, help people understand... that kind of stuff. Sound good?

- Carl

[Aziz]

Aziz, White's was willing to work with Bugs on the QED! But not as long as he kept up the public verbal abuse. I explained this to him, he chose to continue, and he is where he is.

I've always asked for civility on these forums. That extends to what you say about Minelab. I'm not asking you to like them, just no vindictive trash talk and threats. You can do that all you want on Doug's forums, and people who like it can go there to cheer you on.

On these forums, you can talk about circuits and projects and technology, offer ideas, help people understand... that kind of stuff. Sound good?

- Carl

Carl,

you have missed the real point. The trash talk has been started by the other group, which has been following an agenda by discrediting every other product than the market leaders. The forums are infected with such company/dealer driven "agents", which try to control the forums. Well, the companies and dealers are misusing the forums as a marketing platform. That's a fact.

What's wrong with producing in China? All companies are doing this today. If you have produced a product in China, they know (almost) everything about the product. They practically can copy it easily.

The idea of producing in China is to give the production cost savings to the consumer instead of keeping it back to increase the profits.

Now the crucial point:
If an agressive company don't let you in into the market, it is legit to fight back. Giving a product to Chinese was (if ever) the last option as a result of the fight. So to speak: If you don't let me live, I won't let you live to.
Do you really think, that the "Chinese" option was the reason for suing BW?
No, clearly not.

The ony fact is, that the QED has a big potential to compete with the market leaders overpriced detector. That's the naked truth.

Aziz

[redcaveman]

totally agree with you aziz , cheers from redcaveman

[authere]

Aziz, White's was willing to work with Bugs on the QED! But not as long as he kept up the public verbal abuse. I explained this to him, he chose to continue, and he is where he is.

I've always asked for civility on these forums. That extends to what you say about Minelab. I'm not asking you to like them, just no vindictive trash talk and threats. You can do that all you want on Doug's forums, and people who like it can go there to cheer you on.

On these forums, you can talk about circuits and projects and technology, offer ideas, help people understand... that kind of stuff. Sound good?

- Carl

Hi Carl,

How about you supporting your members of the forum or are you just like Minelab using this and other forums to bleed thepeople dry, Aziz is being ambushed and you do nothing but have a go at Aziz....fair go mate!!!!

Is this forum about big business or the home hobbiest???? , Damn !!, wake up Ron, of course it is all about big busineses bleeding the little guy!!!!

Where's the CHINESE!!!!!

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Hi Carl,

How about you supporting your members of the forum or are you just like Minelab using this and other forums to bleed thepeople dry, Aziz is being ambushed and you do nothing but have a go at Aziz....fair go mate!!!!

Is this forum about big business or the home hobbiest???? , Damn !!, wake up Ron, of course it is all about big busineses bleeding the little guy!!!!

Where's the CHINESE!!!!!

Ron, Did you even read Carls post you quoted? read it, you might wake up . Been hanging too long with whats his name.

[ivconic]

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Is this forum about big business or the home hobbiest???? , Damn !!, wake up Ron, of course it is all about big busineses bleeding the little guy!!!! ...

Good question!

[Carl-NC]

Aziz, the real point is that I am not going to allow this forum to denigrate into one like Doug's. If you want to sling mud, do it somewhere else. I'm no fan of Minelab; I agree they are heavy-handed, I agree their patents are highly questionable, I agree they are trying to control the market. And you can discuss these issues here if you want. BUT I DEMAND CIVILITY. Trash-talking, name-calling, taunting, threats, and so forth have no place here. Doug loves that stuff, get it out of your system on his forum, and use Geotech for real discussions.

The trash talk has been started by the other group, which has been following an agenda by discrediting every other product than the market leaders. The forums are infected with such company/dealer driven "agents", which try to control the forums. Well, the companies and dealers are misusing the forums as a marketing platform. That's a fact.

As I posted in the infamous #76,

Bold performance claims naturally produce skepticism with folks who want to see the evidence. When the evidence doesn't happen, skepticism turns to disdain. And as this process stretches out over years, disdain becomes outright ridicule. The designer then spends an inordinate amount of time responding to the doubts and ridicule. This problem is massively amplified if the hype is coupled with contempt for the competition.

Have you noticed that Geotech attracts almost none of the naysayers? Practically the sole exception is you. Why is that? Well, practically everyone on Geotech are experimenters trying out ideas and learning from them. They aren't braggarts who claim to have the best something-r-other and they aren't trashing a company that delivers. And if you stopped doing it they would probably leave you alone as well. You can surf around the various detecting forums and find all kinds of comments about how Minelab is so much better than White's. Some of these comments are derogatory, some of them are false, some of them may be posted by Minelab dealers; I don't respond to them. I read them, I ask "Is this a fair criticism?", and if it is, I take note of it so I can try to fix it. You could try that, too: just don't respond.

What's wrong with producing in China?

The problem is that you're using it as a threat to bring down a company. You're threatening to give away what I'm sure Minelab views as their IP, so that a company can flood the market with cheap clones. Minelab is already fighting this problem, so I'm not the least bit surprised they would react to further threats. Whether that was a primary motivator in their SledgeHammer response I don't know, but it sure as hell didn't help. And folks on Geotech don't need this "help."

The ony fact is, that the QED has a big potential to compete with the market leaders overpriced detector. That's the naked truth.

Probably you're right, but you guys went about it in a horribly wrong way. I tried to warn you about that. Don't continue those ways here.

- Carl