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  • Turbocharged Rimatron 7MX

    Originally posted by Qiaozhi
    However, with a few relatively simple modifications you can turbocharge this design and give it quite a respectable performance. (I'll be posting the necessary mods on the Modifications Forum shortly, when I've finished here.)
    As promised, here are the mods:

    First you have to unsolder and remove the GEB and SENS presets from the PCB, and replace these with potentiometers on the front panel. The DISC control (labelled as Reject on the the original front panel) also acts as the on-off switch. It may be advisable to remove the DISC control and the headphone socket to allow room to attach the other controls. All front panel controls should be connected using flying leads. Although the GEB and SENS controls were originally multi-turn presets, there does not appear to be any problem replacing these with normal linear potentiometers. A switch is also required to allow selection between ALL METAL and DISC modes of operation. The coil was hardwired to the PCB on the SMART2, but the turbo version now boasts a chassis mounted connector to allow easy swapping of coils.

    Here are the necessary circuit modifications:

    1. Add a 10nF capacitor (C1) across C26 - near U7 (LM555N). This is used to lower the audio tone slightly as it's too high and rather annoying.

    2. Add C8 (100nF) between the base of Q1 (audio driver) and SCR to provide a more stable output.

    3. Disconnect the anode of D1 from U8B pin 5 and reconnect via S1 (see attached schematic) to Q1 base. This small modification greatly increases the sensitivity while improving discrimination. The detector has less chatter, and the threshold can be adjusted by the SENS control to allow easier identification of deep targets.

    4. Add a R10 (15K) resistor between S1 (see schematic) and pin 2 of U7. The addition of this resistor provides a stable 2-tone audio output for ferrous/non-ferrous target identification. S1 is wired such that the 2-tone mode of operation only works in the ALL METAL setting. It would be possible to fit another switch to independently enable/disable the 2-tone mode if desired.

    5. The turbo version was re-housed in an aluminium case, and it was necessary to connect the case to SCR to prevent instability. The original metal stem and plastic mounting was reused to mount the new case. The rivets first had to be driiled out and replaced with appropriate sized bolts.

    The result is a lightweight sensitive detector that outperforms many other more expensive models. With the external GEB control it's easy to find the ground balance point, and the SENS control needs virtually no adjustment when in use. Overall the turbo'ed Rimatron is extremely stable and is surprisingly good in the field.

    Air Test Results (with conservative measurements to lowest 0.5"/1cm)

    Victorian penny = 10" (25cm)
    American dime = 7" (18cm)
    Coca Cola can = 17" (43cm)
    Small hammered silver = 6" (15cm)
    Large Roman coin = 10" (25cm)

    In field tests the depth is still maintained. Signals from aluminium tent hooks buried vertically in the ground were easily detected at 10" (25cm). i.e. only the top of the hook was within range. The detector was also tested in an iron-infested area where identification of non-ferrous targets was good with the 8" coil. If any targets were difficult to identify, switching to ALL METAL mode allowed easier identification with the new 2-tone feature. It was also possible to distinguish between ferrous and non-ferrous objects that were very close together.

    Conclusions

    Although I'm not convinced by the use of OTAs instead of analog switches, and the use of a fixed DISC sample point, the detector does work well in practise, and that's what counts.

    Enjoy!
    Attached Files

  • #2
    Qiaozhi, good job!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Esteban View Post
      Qiaozhi, good job!
      Thanks my friend. As you can see we both like to take things apart to see how they work.

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      • #4
        What Case did you use for the 7MX Turbo (the nice aluminium one in the photo) please?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sean Goddard View Post
          What Case did you use for the 7MX Turbo (the nice aluminium one in the photo) please?
          It was from Maplin Electronics.
          Unfortunately I cannot find the part number on their website. I'll look it up in the Maplin catalogue when I return home in a couple of weeks.

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          • #6
            Component

            Dear QIAOZHI,
            Can you tell me what is this component labelled F1 on your drawing
            sorry for my english language ( I'm french )
            best regards
            Luc
            Attached Files

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            • #7
              Qiaozhi, I'm enjoy looking on your success.
              people sketching some schematic from PCB frequently mistakes and put a speaker in collector of output transistor. but really the speaker lies in emmiter. what you think on this? does the subject some advantage?

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              • #8
                Turbocharged Rimatron 7MX

                Can you post a full circuit board Photo ? SCR=silicon controlled rectifier? Where in the schematic is the SCR , I only see many tie points connected to a SCR symbol . Interesting Circuit. Thanks Eugene amtech2005@yahoo.com

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Legaucho View Post
                  Dear QIAOZHI,
                  Can you tell me what is this component labelled F1 on your drawing
                  sorry for my english language ( I'm french )
                  best regards
                  Luc
                  Bonjour Luc,

                  You appear to own one of these detectors.

                  I believe this component is some form of filter. Probably a couple of inductors in series, with a capacitor to ground from the center connection. I haven't tried this but I suspect removing this component will have little effect on the circuit. If I get a spare minute I'll try this, unless you have the opportunity to test it yourself.

                  Are you planning to do the modifications?

                  Bonne chance!
                  Qiaozhi

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by amtech2005 View Post
                    Can you post a full circuit board Photo ? SCR=silicon controlled rectifier? Where in the schematic is the SCR , I only see many tie points connected to a SCR symbol . Interesting Circuit. Thanks Eugene amtech2005@yahoo.com
                    Hi Eugene,

                    I have posted the full circuit.
                    The nets labelled SCR are all connected to the screened connection of the coil cable. Perhaps I should have called this net SCREEN to make this clearer. The GND net floats a couple of volts above SCR, as this design runs from a 5V regulated supply only. There is no negative supply as such, and measuring the voltage at SCR (with reference to GND) will indicate a negative potential.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kt315 View Post
                      Qiaozhi, I'm enjoy looking on your success.
                      people sketching some schematic from PCB frequently mistakes and put a speaker in collector of output transistor. but really the speaker lies in emmiter. what you think on this? does the subject some advantage?
                      Hi KT315,

                      The speaker is definitely connected in series with the collector of Q1 in this design. Frequently it is located in the emitter leg, but it depends on the circuit. The audio output from the speaker in the Rimatron is actually quite loud.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                        It was from Maplin Electronics.
                        Unfortunately I cannot find the part number on their website. I'll look it up in the Maplin catalogue when I return home in a couple of weeks.
                        Hi Sean,

                        I think this may be the one ->
                        http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspxI...&doy=29m1#spec
                        although the dimensions (160x103x43) seem to be slightly smaller. In my case the 43mm dimension is more like 53mm. This might be a mistake on the website (and in the catalogue) but it could also be a newer replacement. Also note that the end panels are each secured by 2 screws instead of the original 4. Later this week I'll visit the shop to check for myself.

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                        • #13
                          Filter

                          Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                          Bonjour Luc,

                          You appear to own one of these detectors.

                          I believe this component is some form of filter. Probably a couple of inductors in series, with a capacitor to ground from the center connection. I haven't tried this but I suspect removing this component will have little effect on the circuit. If I get a spare minute I'll try this, unless you have the opportunity to test it yourself.

                          Are you planning to do the modifications?

                          Bonne chance!
                          Qiaozhi

                          Many thanks for your answer, I will try to build it in next few weeks after I was finished the Barracuda one.
                          Merci
                          Luc

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                          • #14
                            Filter

                            Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                            Bonjour Luc,

                            You appear to own one of these detectors.

                            I believe this component is some form of filter. Probably a couple of inductors in series, with a capacitor to ground from the center connection. I haven't tried this but I suspect removing this component will have little effect on the circuit. If I get a spare minute I'll try this, unless you have the opportunity to test it yourself.

                            Are you planning to do the modifications?

                            Bonne chance!
                            Qiaozhi

                            Many thanks for your answer, I will try to build it in next few weeks after I was finished the Barracuda one.
                            Merci
                            Luc

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                            • #15
                              Q1 Transistor

                              Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                              Bonjour Luc,

                              You appear to own one of these detectors.

                              I believe this component is some form of filter. Probably a couple of inductors in series, with a capacitor to ground from the center connection. I haven't tried this but I suspect removing this component will have little effect on the circuit. If I get a spare minute I'll try this, unless you have the opportunity to test it yourself.

                              Are you planning to do the modifications?

                              Bonne chance!
                              Qiaozhi
                              Again me, what is the type of transistor Q1 in Turbocharged Rimatron 7MX
                              Merci d'avance
                              Luc

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