RELIC HAWK

[sinclairuser]

I'm not sure who your post is directed to, but I guess you haven't heard that old saying before. So... here's a little story for you. Back before cars, horses were the only transportation, and if you owned one, you would be fortunate, because walking was the only alternative. If you had a really good friend he would give you a horse knowing that you didn't have much money, back then most people made less than a dollar a day. But if you were dumb enough to check the teeth of the horse to see how old it was, the owner would surely put a boot in your donkey, and tell you to get the hell off his land. Or the short version, don't be disrespectful to someone and say, that was not enough for free.

And a comment like "To say you have a great MD is silly and useless." proves the point.

i agree with silver dollar, there are far too many incomplete, and useless projects posted here, if its worthy of further investigation then post it if not dont, but dont boast about how good something is but not give complete details.
and dont come the getting something for free angle here, thats what we do, dont like it, dont post simple.
lots of users here are getting tired of the drip feed approach, we share info in whatever capacity we can, if you dont have complete details say so, and let others move on to more worth while projects.

[Thomas]

First off sinclair, I did not post the circuit.
Second - everything read on this web site is free, as is.
Third - it is not the responsibility of the poster to accommodate every readers wants.
Forth -he did post more then enough info to build this circuit, and as he said, "This schematic is NOT for beginners!".

I did not read about any boasts about the circuit.
Drip feed? what are you talking about?
Sliver Dollar has posted many Sch. and no one jumped him for not providing enough info. to make everyone happy.
Why is it you feel it's necessary to police the projects or the amount of details posted?
Is it now, post the whole project if you post a piece of a filter, or a front end?
This is not a business for everyone. So don't treat people like they are your workers.
I am just a beginning hobbyist, but thanks to those useless projects I can make my own layout, and I bet you can too.

[sinclairuser]

actually thomas, some users here have a "i've got something you cant have attitude", bernte one simply asked for the layout file, something expected here if serious participation is expected, he was refused, moreover he had his ability and person ridiculed.
every time he asked any info in this thread he got a similar response, its not for begginers etc, scs has a layout file he must have he posted a board earlier in the thread, so in not posting it for bernte one i can only conclude he has some sort of problem with him, it is a simple request.
this thread has rumbled along for ages now, there is lots of differing information, if this project has reached the point when its become nailed down and really works, then the most up to date files should be posted.
thats the schematic, the lay file, and the parts list, what you dont seem to understand is this stuff happens all the time, the users end up going back in the thread and using files that are not up to date, wasting time and components.
bernte one made a simple request in line with the forum, and got sneered at for his trouble.
then when silver dollar pointed it out, you jumped on him, hobbyists may well invest time and components without all the correct facts, those from a more professional background wont, its happened time after time here, and why some really good projects get ignored.
some users know this, which is why they hold back info, its not to put off newer members, its done because they see it as "their" project, its about ego's and has no place in a purely technical forum.

[scs]

Hobbyist??!I have a bad memory for SBG-PI.Man began to produce it with my pcb and make good money.I,m sorry!!!

[Fabian]

Hobbyist??!I have a bad memory for SBG-PI.Man began to produce it with my pcb and make good money.I,m sorry!!!

Now I understand everything: Scs is one of the owners!

[Thomas]

Well sinclair, We definitely see different versions of what is right and wrong.
I can see that this is a futile exercise in trying to school you. That no one is entitled to be given anything, a gift can only be given as a gift, and If
childish behavior is to be rewarded please feel free.

[sinclairuser]

Hobbyist??!I have a bad memory for SBG-PI.Man began to produce it with my pcb and make good money.I,m sorry!!!

fair enough, but this project is different though, its a collaboration its also a design that even though reworked, could not be sold on, at least in the EU, US, AUS, as it contains elements of a certain companies design, any attempt to "sell" these would cause problems.
it is for test and evaluation purposes only.
though understanding that, it makes sense that no lay or gerbers be posted for this, i fully support and endorse your position concerning this particular detector, as you say it is possible to build this with the info posted(for test and evaluation), a lay or gerber file would make it too easy, and for this design that's bad.
on reflection scs is right in this aspect and i apologise.
ally.(sinclairuser)

[bernte_one]

i can understand scs (sasho from varna) complete - i have seen the trouble years ago
seen photo from him and his wife and thought right guy

the problem you have is that your "friends" or neighboor steel your ideas and make money of that
but if you have a good idea or some better layouts you could offer us something and if this are self produced pcb boards i would take some of them only to support work

i spent my self hundres of euros for testing new layout and often see that most is fake or not completed
and every time i read somethink like 1€ coin at 45cm in air i know ok the next best iof the world diy detector fake but i will try - thats my hobby

i have any respect for your work but if you are not ready to show or share something useful than dont talk about it keep it for you and make buisness from it if you think you must do it

since i am here in this forum i have learned so much but thats inly possible if someone is ready to share his knowledge
if i would start to adapt an layout from a shematic i need a week or longer because of family i have maybe 1H every night i can do something for my hobby

i share also all i have to actual projects but only if it is prooved as working i dont share wrong datas to see how people burn their components (money)

if you have completed something succesful and you dont show it than dont scream it out writ something like i have finished it works but i will not share ... point

we have nothing from your succes

[sinclairuser]

i can understand scs (sasho from varna) complete - i have seen the trouble years ago
seen photo from him and his wife and thought right guy

the problem you have is that your "friends" or neighboor steel your ideas and make money of that
but if you have a good idea or some better layouts you could offer us something and if this are self produced pcb boards i would take some of them only to support work

i spent my self hundres of euros for testing new layout and often see that most is fake or not completed
and every time i read somethink like 1€ coin at 45cm in air i know ok the next best iof the world diy detector fake but i will try - thats my hobby

i have any respect for your work but if you are not ready to show or share something useful than dont talk about it keep it for you and make buisness from it if you think you must do it

since i am here in this forum i have learned so much but thats inly possible if someone is ready to share his knowledge
if i would start to adapt an layout from a shematic i need a week or longer because of family i have maybe 1H every night i can do something for my hobby

i share also all i have to actual projects but only if it is prooved as working i dont share wrong datas to see how people burn their components (money)

if you have completed something succesful and you dont show it than dont scream it out writ something like i have finished it works but i will not share ... point

we have nothing from your succes

spot on bente one, this is a collaboration thread, but i understand scs completely, and bernte one, but this is a minelab detector, and i dont really think its worth the risk to the forum, it does not matter how old this design is, we all know what minelab can be like.
scs, why not give bernte one the file via p.m.(on the understanding it stays out of the forum), but if you do, dont tell others here, or the something for nothing brigade will spam your inbox with requests for it.
too reiterate my view, i dont think the files should be posted publicly in this instance, but i have to say that this thread is an evolving collaboration and as such, those working on such a project should not mention their project progress if they are not going to give the details, as carl says keep your trap shut.
when its your own personal design its your call, but on project like this where there are a few working on it, its totally different, at the end of the day someone else will simply release their version sooner or later, but it is not the kind of design that should be reproduced though at least not with production in mind.
as for those that think holding back information is ok generally, in a public forum where lots of users are reverse engineering that same project, you simply dont understand the premise of geotech.
its not about whether its free info or not, 99.9% of geotech is given freely, that which is not and involves cost(buying boards programmed ic's etc), then the poster usually makes the files available for those unable to buy them, if your working on a project and do not intend to share your work, then dont contribute as carl says "shut your trap".

[Silver Dollar]

I agree you can share as much as you want but if you talk about something show us a
picture or link. If you say " a couple of resistors changed will make it work better" tell
us the resistors and value you think works better. If you say "The Johnny Oscillator works
good here" show us the schematic just so we can follow along.

It would be nice to have a separate thread for "I'm proud of my detector" so you can show
your work and not share it if you like. Inside a given thread it's better to have solid info for
people who are trying to build it or studying the design.

I personally do not make my own boards but enjoy looking at the schematics and layouts
to learn and if I can buy a board I use the layout to make mods.

[Silver Dollar]

I did not realize SCS was Sasho. You have many great designs! Unfourtunatly
I haven't built any of them, I'm waiting for a board to be available. You should
make 10 boards of new designs and sell them here in the for sale section. I'd
buy a few!

[Davor]

According to Don Lancaster's philosophy, see www.tinaja.com - one is much better off financially if his idea is realised by himself. In such case all the copiers may be considered as sycophants that spread the glory of your design. Within this philosophy patents are just a waste of time and money that could otherwise be used for production - a double flop.

[bernte_one]

i have found rh board on my archive but i think it is not the up to date sample

it is double sided i will try to make some boards on my next etch day

if it is tested i will post it here

regards

[scs]

For very stable work change c22 and c30 to 100 nanofarad.

[scs]

Good filter=perfect detector.