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  • #91
    Alex,

    I have built 2 coils so far.. One just testing on the bench, the other I have used outside. I don't think size is so important other than I get about a 20% performance gain with a larger coil. Both coils are right around 6.0mH for TX and 6.5mH for RX. I have come across several methods of determining L without an inductance meter and they all agree.

    My smaller coil measures 18 x 10mm for one "D". My larger one is just the standard 252 x 137mm for one "D".

    For winding, I have a coil winder with both a top and a bottom... and spacers in the middle, along with pegs for the basic shape going through top and bottom. Now, here is the neat thing. My wire comes off a spool and goes though a container filled with varnish. It goes IN a small pinhole on one side and OUT a pinhole on the other. so.. my wire is "sticky" when it goes on the form. I am using .25MM wire 30 guage I think.

    When my coil comes off the form several hours later, it almost has a cross section that is square, and needs no string to bind everything together. Then, I can easily remove a few turns to tweek the inductance a little.

    Then, one layer of vinyl tape, then a layer of copper foil tape (so I can solder a ground wire to it). I find that a USB 2 cable works fine.. That's it! I get around 30mm for a 2.5mm brass coin.

    Don

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    • #93
      Originally posted by dfbowers View Post
      My wire comes off a spool and goes though a container filled with varnish. It goes IN a small pinhole on one side and OUT a pinhole on the other. so.. my wire is "sticky" when it goes on the form
      I was thinking about this in past. Tesoro coils are made in a similar way too. The winding is sink int the cast resin and mantains the same rectangular (or square) form it had when it was made probably on a D shaped mandrel mould with lateral edges, like yours have.
      In all our coils, made following the recipe details, all around the wire turns turns we wind some tape as the one used by electricians, but doing this the inductance changes unpredictibly and wire to wire capacitance is probably different from the same coil made with your method.

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      • #94
        Hi Don , nice work , I have a home made coil winding machine , here a link
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCN3uCHaem0 but when I finish a coil
        I bind a coil with a yarn and then glue all together , but at the end of the process when a glue is dry I measure more Inductance so at this point is more difficult to remove a few coil so I need to apply your system for my
        construction.

        Alex

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        • #95
          Originally posted by dfbowers View Post
          Alex,

          I have built 2 coils so far.. One just testing on the bench, the other I have used outside. I don't think size is so important other than I get about a 20% performance gain with a larger coil. Both coils are right around 6.0mH for TX and 6.5mH for RX. I have come across several methods of determining L without an inductance meter and they all agree.

          My smaller coil measures 18 x 10mm for one "D". My larger one is just the standard 252 x 137mm for one "D".

          For winding, I have a coil winder with both a top and a bottom... and spacers in the middle, along with pegs for the basic shape going through top and bottom. Now, here is the neat thing. My wire comes off a spool and goes though a container filled with varnish. It goes IN a small pinhole on one side and OUT a pinhole on the other. so.. my wire is "sticky" when it goes on the form. I am using .25MM wire 30 guage I think.

          When my coil comes off the form several hours later, it almost has a cross section that is square, and needs no string to bind everything together. Then, I can easily remove a few turns to tweek the inductance a little.

          Then, one layer of vinyl tape, then a layer of copper foil tape (so I can solder a ground wire to it). I find that a USB 2 cable works fine.. That's it! I get around 30mm for a 2.5mm brass coin.

          Don
          That looks very interesting.

          Do you have picture when it is winding?

          Do you mount it on a rotating turntable?

          If you have rotating turntable, I would like to add link to another thread with other fast coil winders.

          Regards,

          -SB

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          • #96
            No turntable yet.. but I need one! I Need a counter as well.

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            • #97
              Originally posted by dfbowers View Post
              My wire comes off a spool and goes though a container filled with varnish.
              What kind of varnish/glue is it?

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              • #98
                I just used "Varathane" since it dries quickly. I suppose if I were to do it correctly, I should be using packing peanuts dissolved in Toluene, or some sort of dope that does not affect "Q"? I wonder if it matters at lower frequencies..

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                • #99
                  Originally posted by simonbaker View Post
                  That looks very interesting.

                  Do you have picture when it is winding?

                  Do you mount it on a rotating turntable?

                  If you have rotating turntable, I would like to add link to another thread with other fast coil winders.

                  Regards,

                  -SB
                  Yes here some pictures before bind and after , for turnable I use simpy two cd's
                  Attached Files

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                  • Originally posted by ik5pwr View Post
                    Yes here some pictures before bind and after , for turnable I use simpy two cd's
                    Nice design, and counter too! I added link to fast-winder thread under Coils.

                    -SB

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                    • Originally posted by ik5pwr View Post
                      I bind a coil with a yarn and then glue all together , but at the end of the process when a glue is dry I measure more Inductance so at this point is more difficult to remove a few coil
                      Hi Alex,
                      is your coil performing as good as dfbower's ?
                      Do you simply yarn it then glue? what glue cyanoachrilate? don't you tape it all around?

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                      • Originally posted by Stefano View Post
                        Hi Alex,
                        is your coil performing as good as dfbower's ?
                        Do you simply yarn it then glue? what glue cyanoachrilate? don't you tape it all around?
                        Hi stefano,

                        This is my first coil with this coil winder , so I just finish my first one not test yet
                        yes yarn and then glue with cyanoachrilate , when dry ,finish with tape and adesive foil.

                        Stefano are you Italian ? I'm from Italy.

                        regards Alex

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                        • Yes Alex I'm italian too.
                          It seems your procedure being following ivonic's recipe and that's what i did too. I'll wait to see how it performs, I'm expecially interested in the phase behaviour as I found it the most difficult to get.

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                          • Originally posted by ik5pwr View Post
                            Hi stefano,

                            This is my first coil with this coil winder , so I just finish my first one not test yet
                            yes yarn and then glue with cyanoachrilate , when dry ,finish with tape and adesive foil.

                            Stefano are you Italian ? I'm from Italy.

                            regards Alex
                            Hi Alex ,

                            Please be shure that your coil doesn't need any modification ( adding or removing windings ) before you glue the coil .
                            I think the glue is the really last part of the coil project .

                            regards

                            Dennis the Mennis

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                            • Originally posted by Dennis the Mennis View Post
                              Hi Alex ,

                              Please be shure that your coil doesn't need any modification ( adding or removing windings ) before you glue the coil .
                              I think the glue is the really last part of the coil project .

                              regards

                              Dennis the Mennis
                              Hi Dennis,

                              Ok , made some tests , I explane you ... when I finish the coil (before Yarn) I measure 1st inductance (3400 uH), so I yarn and then I measure more then inductance (4600 uH) , last glue , dry and measure (6000 uH) ....

                              is difficult estimate a exact inductance .

                              regards Alex.

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