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  • #31
    DeepHunter mini finds high sensitivity field test

    This amazing new video is another true lucky strike:
    Directly at the first try I found what I intended to find, a very hard to detect target.


    Because I wanted to demonstrate how real high senisitive treasure hunting looks like:
    It is not possible wanting to have ultra depth detection without finding ultra small parts not so deep, too.


    But if you wanna have a real high sensitive and fantastic ultra deep detector, the DeepHunter is absolutly the right choice for you!
    Usually you would need a 10cm coil (4inch) for such around 5mm small finds - but the DeepHunter uses 32cm which covers much more ground and
    is far deeper than any of those little 10-25cm coils.

    The Sensitivity setting was at 8,5 with Iron On and ground balance was pretty high even if there is not so mineralized soil to grab even the
    smallest iron parts! And the 380kV highvoltage line was just ca. 50meters from the find-location!


    The uploaded video demonstrates perfectly how has to be the background noise - find noise contrast factor!

    btw. this little find (the first and most left one at the below pictures including mm inch values) was around 10cm deep, beneath the root.

    And I found out that the DeepHunter can be runned on much higher sensitivity if the coil is moved directly over the grass without
    getting loud background chatter signals. Those only starts getting a bit louder if the detector is not moving or swept on a larger distance over the soil.
    So you can hunt directly under a high voltage line at sensitivity level 9 with almost no background noise if the coil is scrubbed over the grass.

    And of course you will need a really good pinpointer! Don't blame the DeepHunter if it detects something and you can't find it just because
    your Pinpointer doesn't react on 5mm small stuff as long it doesn't touch its sensor directly!
    I found out that I wouldn't have had a chance to get most of those small parts without the border-sensitivity modified Garrett Pro-Pointer.
    With a standard Pro-Pointer it can take extremly long until you hit such small metal parts directly with the coil.

    btw. the DeepHunter video demonstrates perfectly that you will find ultra small (and very deep) stuff at real fast hunting-speed.
    You can walk at normal speed through the site or wood and you will cover much more ground than with a smaller coil.
    With a 10cm coil it can take ages until you find the right spot at all.

    For very old coins such a sensitivity level as the DeepHunter with the 32cm coil provides is absolutly neccessary!
    Because often those are very small, low-conductive or very deep - around 20-35cm.

    If you wanna get the MAX out of the ground check out this new video I shot yesterday and listen to signals.
    Of course you should be used to some background chatter because this is the only way to reach this border sensitivity signals at all.

    But its very easy with some experience - if the usual background signals start to change or differ a little bit,
    check the area there more detailed with your coil, move it closer over the ground and slower and if you then get clear signal, you have catched one
    of those very hard to find targets. And as you can see on the pix below, yesterday I catched really alot of them.

    I'm shure in the near future their will exists some compare tests DeepHunter vs the best other MDs in this category and the DeepHunter will beat them all.
    And moving the Deephunters coil over hours and hours is the most lightweight solution compared to all those detectors which have mounted
    their display, electronic- and battery-stuff directly on the coil-holder.

    With this detector you can still find treasures and or other rare stuff on hot spot locations which have been searched already 100times over and over again.
    All you need is a little bit a trained ear so you immediatly will hear if the usual background-signals remain on their same pattern or if they are changing.
    Of course for the a bit larger or not so deep finds you will get extremly loud and clear and undoubtful detection signals, no question.
    But the DeepHunter offers the possibility for the absolute MAX and it depends on each person, if he wants to use this additional extra high potential.
    It also depends on the location and how precious stuff you probably could find there, too.
    With a weak detector someone just would wastes his time on a site where treasurehunters are walking around since many years already.
    But if you can handle such high sensitive machines - which really is not complicated, its more a question of routine and some training -
    you will find stuff at such promising sites, still, for shure. And by the way because of its very high electro-smog stability you will get extremly good
    detection results with the DeepHunter compared with other detectors - the DeepHunter will detect their around 70-100% deeper than others!

    You can even detect directly in towns or close to buried cables and near voltage lines with still great results, while other detectors are
    going crazy there or start to beep like hell and can't turned off until they have just 30% sensitivity left.

    Last but not least:
    For me it would be really interesting now if the CoinFinder CF77 would perform the same great as the DeepHunter concerning such really small stuff
    at high electro-smog and "outsearched" regions. If it uses the almost same powerful circuit it could be - but I must compare it first personally.

    Good luck!


    DeepHunter Metal-Detector real testvideo 10-2013.zip
    (22.6 MB) (1min avi movie 640x480 including 11 pictures)
    http://www.multiupload.nl/ZXAQRZMCYZ


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    • #32
      DeepHunter mini finds 45cm coil field test

      To show the perfect complete picture here are the results of my high sensitivity test with the 45cm coil
      and again the new mode 2 motion.

      Directly 30 meters below a 380kV over-land- highvoltage-line I found a just 4mm tiny nail at around 7cm depth
      and also another nail, ca. 12mm at 15cm depth in loamy soil (see pictures). And the railway also was just 45meter
      away from there, which adds an extra portion of electro-smog.

      Sensitivity was at 9-10, iron on and Groundbalance at full maximum.

      The absolute amazing thing is that you can hunt at full sensitivity directly at super high-electro smog regions
      and with some routine you still can hear the smallest signals out of the background-noise.

      At usual e-smog free locations of course it is childsplay even for a total newbie to detect such finds!


      Because of the extremly high "small stuff sensitivity" of the 45cm coil it is the absolute optimal and best solution
      for the "standard treasure hunting". If one usual sweep with this coil covers 2,5 meters in 1 second (and the recovery
      speed is very high) this is ca. 1,5 squaremeters with super depth and high enough small stuff sensitivity.

      So within 60 seconds an area of almost 100 Squaremeters (around 10x10 meter) are possible to scan for metal objects.
      This is ca. 50% more as the 32cm coil could scan in the same time while the larger coil will be ca. 40-70% deeper for larger objects.


      approximate small metal object sizes for the 45cm motion coil under real conditions (medium e-smog and mineralized soil):
      5mm: nails, stuff, coins etc: 5-10 cm
      1cm: coins, nails, alufoil, bullets etc.: 15-20 cm
      2cm stuff: 25-35 cm


      btw. I found at this totally searched out site small stuff with the 45cm coil I even could find with the 32cm coil.
      The 32cm coil is better for smaller or extremly tiny finds but only up to a certain depth.

      Another important topic is the signal-stability under heavy electro-smog conditions:
      The larger the coil, the more e-smog noise it picks up, but also the more fainting metal signals from a wider distance it can still recognise.
      The DeepHunter's electronic is that stable that you really can hunt at most highest sensitivity settings directly at such high e-smog locations.
      The only problem starts directly near train-lines - I don't know what kind of e-smog causing voltage those are using, but it is really extremly
      disturbing to all kind of metal-detectors. The DeepHunter is able to hunt at highest sensitivity up to 30m and at medium sensitivity up to 5m close
      to rail-road-tracks. And if a train drives through for a short time the e-smog becomes the double amount.


      However, my new test has clearly shown that the new "standard search method" has been shifted for a very good part into direction: 45cm coil!


      In earlier times and usually anyone thinks that the best intermediate or middle value coil-size for a good hunting would be around 20-27cm.
      But since detectors are more and more sensitive and the coils are more lightweight this has changed.

      Why you should use a little 20cm coil if you can find almost the same amount of small stuff nowadays also with a 30cm or even 40cm coil?
      While the 20cm coil doesn't reach very deep and you need the double amount of time for the same hunting-area!

      The 20-27cm coil may be OK if this region contains alot or only very hard to find and medium deep small coins and other valuable stuff
      like rings, bracelets etc. and if the detector is not very sensitive or immune against electro-smog.

      But now for the DeepHunter even its 32cm "large" coil is almost too small for most hunting sites.

      Especially if someone visits a larger hunting site like a battlefield or ruins of an old town for the first time, using the large coil is almost a must.
      It's also a big motivation factor if you will detect whatever the double as fast than before!

      And by the way almost any of the really important so far found treasures have been a little bit larger anyway.
      Attached Files

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      • #33
        Considering the method of searching you described as your favorite; you should call yourself "Runfinder" and not "Funfinder".
        Because all this time, since 1987. i took the searching with detector as great FUN and nothing else.
        I don't practice to RUN over terrains expecting to find smallest and most precious finds like that, simply because it is not possible.
        Also seems that you are NAIL COLLECTOR too, considering what you discovered so far (according to your own stories here).
        No wonder at all. Running over various terrains, widely sweeping with coil; all you can expect to find are exactly (and only) rusty nails.
        Rusty nails and some shallow larger iron metal masses.
        Your reports are not very interesting simply because you are very often repeating yourself.
        Apart from that; majority of your posts here looks like advertisements with deep planned purpose, pardon me for that, just my personal opinion.
        I also see that you are pretty determined to continue to waste your hard earned money on completely WRONG choices, when obtaining md equipment.
        You should not take my comments here as malicious but friendly. I am sorry to see your stubborn determination to waste money and time on wrong choices.
        And if that was only you... but with your novels here you can also affect others people too, mostly novices.
        So i feel strong responsibility (as old and active member of this forum) to react on such things and come out here to say my opinion.
        So i said it.
        In future nobody can blame me that i was silent and did nothing.
        Cheers
        !

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        • #34
          Sorry ivconic, but now its really enough with your crap bla bla.

          You try to present it nicely and start with "understanding words", you wanna look like an expert
          and the oh so well "keep this forum clean of bad information" but all what comes out are tricky insults and unfounded opinions.

          You are talking bullsh't about that I would just find nails what is totally wrong.

          You are unteachable person, seems you understand nothing!

          You are focused to your XP Deus "make hunting easy toy" and you are a shame for the balkan countries,
          because you leave no single good hair on bulgarian, turkish and other detectors.

          If I visit you at Serbia or wherever you play your ridiculous games and we compare the XP Deus with the DeepHunter
          I will beat you the double time with your full electronic computerized beeping toy!

          Seems you are very bored and you have no good hunting places or your XP Deus is a monday product and doesn't work very good
          or you are unable to use a metal detector the right way otherwise you wouldn't have the need to visit this forum just to make
          other persons and their detectors down.

          You are hindering the progress, dear ivconic, because you try to negate good developements and breakthroughs in electronic impromvents!

          And don't make big speakings about "all your metal detection time since 1987" because I have had my first detector already as child which
          was some years earlier than 1987. And by the way in 1992 I had already the Fisher 1266-X which was in that time one of the best MDs ever!

          I don't wanna say anything bad against WM6 at the moment because his behaviaour has improved alot concerning Jeohunter and DeepHunter
          meanwhile but it reminds me strongly on his unfounded attacks in 2010, same as kt315 with is ignorant prejudices and unfair behaviour here!


          And if you are not unmotivated to read my details explainations leave it be! Nobody forces you and its arrogance if you think that you
          are the big everything knowing sherriff here which has the obgligation to "warn" others about such bad detectors like you claim!

          Seems you just wanna have fun here by provocations but it won't help you, because you can't provocate me!
          In reality I'm glad that persons like you are unable to understand the true power of certain detectors because you don't deserve the
          possibilities such devices offer.

          Don't give a child a sharp knife into its hands!
          Don't give ivconic the DeepHunter, it would be just a dishonour for this great detector.

          And ivconic, I hardly doubt within the last 4 years you have been over 200 times outside, 5-9 hours each day for hunting like I was!

          Looks absolutly that you are one of those "weekend treasure-hunters" and you want it nice and easy.
          No wonder you prefer the XP Deus so much, its very comfortable and even very old grandpa's can use it.


          Or it's only envy and jealousy that is speaking out of you because you can't afford now to buy a REAL detector
          after you have collected for such a long time the money for the overpriced and not really good performing XP Deus.


          Your "Runfinder" joke was funny but you totally misunderstand the concept:
          It is important that it is possible sometimes to hunt at a very high speed depending on the site but it is not a must
          and you can hunt also very slowly with the 45cm coil to detect also the much smaller stuff very deep.

          And of course it is not any promotion because otherwise I wouldn't make such long pauses inbetween the shown tests here
          but it is to show a fair picture and to defeat ignorant and evil guided persons who don't understand the whole picture of metal detection at all!

          Ivconic, your stupid little attacks here are like needle-pokes into a haystack, you won't reach anything (OK, you tear on my nervers and waste my time)
          but I will survive it!

          Create some nice test videos about how you are hunting with your XP-Deus so I can see what kind of "detection-philosophy" you have!

          And I really hope sometimes we will have a chance for direct professional comparing test DeepHunter vs. XP Deus
          but I know that persons like you are not convincable anyway because your opinions are already fixed.

          You ivconic are the bad attacker against all south east european detectors and I guess you even hate all detectors made in Serbia....
          You are the big insider of all those detectors who has the best arguments why those are so bad - shure.
          The best solution would if you go to America or Australia then you can be happy with Garrett or Minelab stuff. ;D

          You should not confuse your own and personal "taste" with professional made test results which show clearly what kind of detection technology
          is much stronger and deeper than other ones !!!

          You think everyone else is stupid compared to you and your "super experience" with homebuilt etc. detectors since 1987 - and we must say that
          the detectors before 1995 no longer count much compared to the technology and power we have since 2010 !!!
          So your real useful experience is max. 18 years.

          And believe me, ivconic, I have tested and I am owning enough detectors including over 10.000 hours of real hunting experience that I can give
          a very good and guilty warrant which detector performs better than others!


          And your stupid nail-argumentation already disqualifies yourself completly,
          because you can't understand that extremly deep valuable finds can act like shallow "rusty nail" finds.
          And you will never find roman nails or extremly seldom iron fibulas with your cheap attitude.

          What do you think treasure-hunting is: a walk in the park where the detector only spits out gold-rings and noble metal coins?

          I can imagine how it is if you are going treasure hunting:
          Walking around at a maximum 20x20 meter area with your XP-Deus and finding beer caps, alu-foil and pulltabs only!

          If you or an other person are unable to bear the background noise of high sensitivity detectors and if you are too
          lazy to dig some rusty nails sometimes it is your own psychical weakness!

          Don't blame the detectors and those who can use it with good skills!


          > I am sorry to see your stubborn determination to waste money and time on wrong choices.

          Why don't you stop your haltless accusations and come up with scientific proven arguments?!
          We and I don't care about your personal favours and taste! You are like one of those LRL-believers who is unable to proof his worthless arguments.

          Your state of mind is already totally full about hate, anger and misfavour against all kind of south-east-european detectors that is useless to discuss with you anyway!
          You are like a person who condems a certain folk or population of a certain country.

          Oh holy cow, what must evil have done the bad metal-detector-producers from your and your neighbour countries to your life?!
          Have they ruined your life or have they wasted your precious treasure-hunting time by worthless detectors?

          What a tragedy and now your brain is closed up to all kind of arguments and new developments.

          Ivconic, you have disqualified yourself already with your haltless attacks against the Blisstool which even Carl Moreland bought
          to see its strenghts - and the DeepHunter with Motion circuit and 45cm coil now even is around 40-100% more powerful and deep !!!
          What are you doing here if you have no idea what really counts and if you can't prove your shallow arguments at all?

          Just providing your hateful attitude against all kind of south-eastern-europe MDs here and seducing newbies to buy the XP Deus?

          Show me real tests and give me hard facts or I will no longer take you any serious.
          If you wanna like it to be the serbian clown who writes funny texts with all kind of ROFL smileys here and wanna be have funny entertainment
          here go ahead but if you ivconic wanna be respected as some sort of "expert" you should change your behaviour here for 100% at minimum!

          For me you have no respect at all after this ongoing nonsense you are doing here and I will icecold ignore you and your posts if it doesn't change!

          Another such stupid and just everything downmaking for fun post, ivconic, like it was before, and you are out of my screen!
          My time is too precious to waste it with all kind of in their own little world living freaks and their fantastic "wisdoms"!

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          • #35
            A gentle note to Funfinder and Ivconic.
            You have both given your opinions concerning these two detectors, and I suggest we leave it there. Otherwise this is likely to develop into a war of words with no resolution.

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            • #36
              You're right, it shouldn't end in a war of useles words and opinions.

              This is an electronic forum and 220volts have 220volts!

              It is testable, verifiable, provable - it is no question of personal taste.

              Absolutly no room for opinions if someone can't provide exact test results that proof his opinions.

              And of course its useless to discuss with a person that a certain kind of detectors performs better than another kind ("more analog" vs "more digital")
              if such person condemns such detectors anyway, at least because of their country-origin.

              Perhaps sometimes I will visit ivconic personally and then we will see a very astonishing direct compare test DeepHunter vs XP Deus!
              And I wanna see ivconics face then!

              Winning against those who are simply not good enough always is the loan and satisfaction of perfection and good work!


              And for the next time I hope the offenders will get the good tips and not me who is forced to defend against their offroad opinion-comments.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Qiaozhi View Post
                A gentle note to Funfinder and Ivconic.
                You have both given your opinions concerning these two detectors, and I suggest we leave it there. Otherwise this is likely to develop into a war of words with no resolution.
                Not gonna happen, simply because i am not interested in debating.
                I just wanted to ask him if he can stop with such huge annoyance.
                I don't even bother to read his trivial posts. Not post: novels!
                Novels without any sane point.
                Ok, that's all from me here.
                See you on other topic
                s!

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                • #38
                  ultra small & loamy soil 45cm results

                  <snip personal comments>


                  So everything who is interested in the DeepHunters true performance -

                  (now after we are finished with these 2 very kind persons who haven't anything to say in the world of real treasure-hunting - what cares the oak if some pigs rub their necks on it - and they can't stop the ongoing improvments of professional hitec detectors with their foolish comments anyway)

                  - I wanna present you now one of the still missings important infos about the DeepHunters capabilities:


                  3 days ago I was very lucky and I found in some loamy ground-hole ca. 45cm deep a shard of a 200 years old hollow-ball at a totally searched out site.
                  The loam-layer was around 25cm thick and first I thought the DeepHunter would detects the loam itself. The shard is 6x7cm and 3cm thick steel.

                  Absolutly no question about the depth in high mineralized soil! The signal was loud and clear even 20cm above and I walked very fast over that area
                  because I wanted to find 6cm diameter cannonballs there at usual just ca. max 25cm depth and for those you don't have to search especially carefully.


                  The second test again is about little stuff - I would say about such extremly tiny finds you have to ask yourself the question: Do you really wanna find them at all?!

                  Make the test yourself: Use some 0,8mm thin copper-wire, cut down 6mm short pieces and spread them over an area with short grass on it!
                  Depending on the grass you may have 3cm distance while searching them. Fine if you can find them at all, But the DeepHunter detects
                  them up to ca. 7.5cm (3inches) deep and buried and directly at very high electro-smog locations - thats the difference!

                  Of course you must not find this stuff and by the way it doesn't matter if its rusty iron or if its small pieces of aluminium or whatever!
                  Just ignore the very short and weak background-signal distortions and you won't find such super small stuff.
                  But you may miss that way 20cm deep very small coins which became already almost completly non-conductive extremly and old iron- or small finds, too.

                  The important thing is that the DeepHunter offers such extremly sensitivity - the feature is there and everyone can choose to use it or not.
                  A simple 1/3 sensitivity turn to lower and those ultra hard to get finds also may vanish in thin air.

                  Of course the same "sensitivity contrast factor stability" also counts if it comes to very deep finds medium large!

                  And the difference with other detectors is that the same high signal-stability that "defeats" high amounts of electro-smog also defeats high mineralized soil!
                  Because if the detector only operates on a weak EM-field basis and with cheap electronic-circuits even very small amounts of soil will stop the penetration depth extremly!

                  2 days ago I found a very small horseshoe directly inbetween a railroad-track and a huge 380kilo Volt overland-line (25m distance between of them) at a "sunken area" at almost 50cm depth. With almost any other detector all you would hear at such places is a completly electro-smog over-reaction where the true signals gets lost inbetween the very loud e-smog beeps. And by the way I really don't love background-chatter that much - I even have modified my Fisher 1266-X detector because it was not possible at the usual electronic-circuit to slow down the background chatter to a acceptable level.

                  And a very big improvement is the different audio-tone-output depending on the type of metal:
                  While the Fisher and the Blisstool use the same audio-frequency all the time no matter what metal, the DeepHunter gives you a good spectrum of different audio-tone-signals from very deep (rusty iron and small low conductive) up to a very high and almost metallic sounding signal (lead, alu, silver etc.)
                  Of course this different audio output makes it much easier and better to distinct inbetween background-noise (= threshold) and even very weak metal finds !!!

                  You even can hunt completly without discrimination if you are not certain and you can choose to dig only the very high and more intensive signals because this different audio output remains the same, no matter if disc is on or off.

                  I wouldn't make so detailed explanations about this detector if it wouldn't be really a lucky hit for me and better than any detectors I have used so far!
                  We have persons here who don't think much perfectionistic or professional, they don't care alot if their MD is 10cm more or less deep, but I'm different
                  and I don't wanna go back to one of those less-powerful detectors which would just lead to a situation where I would miss half of the finds I can get now!!!

                  Of course this detector has many enemies because they wanna push the concurrence out of their way! They don't like to accept that there could be anything better than their own work or "illusions". All archaeologists also will hate it because for them "not authorized persons" can leech all the good stuff out of the ground long before they have the slightest chance to find it with their "antique detection equipment".


                  btw. you can see yourself lucky that I'm informing you here in this forum exclusive about the DeepHunter , I do this only because I am a highly technically interested person and I wanna share all the MD related technical ideas and improvements, modifications and new developments with you here!
                  Per instance so far I never gave away any of my here posted "secret" DeepHunter information in other treasure hunting forums:
                  Because such detectors can became really dangerous in the wrong hands and there are other very good reasons why others don't deserve any information!
                  Even here are some persons where I wish they would never have got even the slightest information about the DeepHunter!
                  Because all what they can do is draging stuff into the dirt and compensate their hate and for shure frustrating life here by lousy and mean comments!
                  They never deserve any precious informations for their egomanic, devlish and disgusting lifes!
                  I never would have such an antisocial and hateful intention just entering a thread just to insult a person there and for creating worthless comments!

                  I also wouldn't tell such guys where my personal goldmine is located - it would be just like cutting into my own finger if I would do such a stupid thing.
                  And the DeepHunter for me is like a goldmine, because it offers me the possibility to find ultra-rare stuff no other person without this device can !!!


                  If persons here have a sense for perfection and want to "get the most out of what is possible nowadays" they are highly welcome and can join my philosophy
                  but everyone else should stay away from it. I'm not here for talking about the useless site of treasure-hunting or how to create worthless old-school-detection circuits which just wastes your time and money, it would be the same if I would go into some 5 star Restaurant and order a slice of dry bread there.


                  Treasure-hunters always need improvements and better, deeper and more powerful detectors !!! Here we go !!! Take it and enjoy...
                  I showed you how to make the Garrett Pro-Pointer ultra-sensitive as the only one here and I can show you much more concerning what really counts...
                  Attached Files
                  Last edited by Carl-NC; 11-04-2013, 01:20 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Ivica, KT: if you don't like Funfinder, don't read his posts. Any more personal attacks will result in a vacation.

                    Funfinder: if you include any more personal comments in your posts, I'll delete the whole durn post, and then give you a vacation as well.

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                    • #40
                      sorry Carl, but why Funfinder always is adwertising those turkish 'detectors' in main forums while there is Free Advertising special one for the adwertising? why he is so contumacious in your obtrusion of the jeohunter?

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                      • #41
                        hello funfinder,

                        if you look for a possibility to compare your detector with the deus xp
                        you dont need to travel to serbia
                        i live close to berlin
                        and i have no prejudice of any detector
                        the only thing that counts for me is the question whether i get enough performace in relation to the the money i pay

                        to ivconic
                        i hope you are alright?
                        i heared from attempts on election offices on serbia

                        kind regards to all

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bernte_one View Post
                          hello funfinder,

                          if you look for a possibility to compare your detector with the deus xp
                          you dont need to travel to serbia
                          i live close to berlin
                          and i have no prejudice of any detector
                          the only thing that counts for me is the question whether i get enough performace in relation to the the money i pay

                          to ivconic
                          i hope you are alright?
                          i heared from attempts on election offices on serbia


                          kind regards to all
                          I am alright, thanks.
                          Not happened in Serbia but in Kosovo, under EULEX protectorate, blame on them.
                          ...
                          Depends where Funfinder resides, Serbia is closer to Bulgaria and Turkey than Berlin, Germany is.
                          Oh much more closer!
                          Everybody is welcome here to my place, of course Funfinder too.
                          But reading just few of his long posts i got a feeling that he is quite different kind of prospector than i am, so i don't see the point of comparing detectors.
                          I am mostly hunting for extra small coins, going very slowly and covering very small areas in a day.
                          He seems to be opposite.
                          So what's good for him is not good for me and vice versa.
                          Most probably he will stay satisfied with his methods and i will of course stay pretty satisfied with my methods.
                          So there is no point in compare.
                          But of course there is point in meeting, because i would really like to meet all the colleagues here from Geotech... even you Carl - the "vacation provider" man
                          !

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ivconic View Post
                            I am alright, thanks.
                            Not happened in Serbia but in Kosovo, under EULEX protectorate, blame on them.
                            Don't panic, forget elections. Boss of Microsoft and Jeffrey Sachs visited us, so damage will be comparable to average sized thermonuclear weapon.

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                            • #44
                              DeepHunter CarCharger mod

                              Back to the technical only stuff and I would prefer everything in this forum would be technical only as the title tells it,
                              but not just on the basis of "electronic tinkering nerds" who have absolutly no idea whats needed for real treasure-hunting...
                              Metal detectors in theory and practise are two different pair of boots and compared to alot persons here I know both very good!


                              My following creation is another improvement but every improvement counts:
                              The DeepHunter package contains one usual Li-Po-Pack charger (direct 110-230v AC mains adapter) and one for cars (10-14,5 volts DC).
                              Of course it is always better if you have a second "usual" charger, too.

                              No problem:
                              Instead of the cigarette 12V plug of the car as the only power-source you also can use some 12V DC adapter connected with the car-charger.
                              It just should have between ca. 0,8 to 1,6 ampere output which per instance most USB-hard drive power adapters have.
                              The output for charging the lipo-batterie is 16,8V at 0,5 Amp.

                              Opening the car-charger is simple:
                              Unscrew the plastic ring near the contacts for the car-voltage and pull the both housing-halves apart.

                              Now all you need is a plug of the same size (which fits together) with those of the 12v AC-DC adapter.
                              Check out the correct polarity and solder the female plug connections where the wires of the car-plug goes. Thats it.

                              This modified car-charger still can be used as primary intended (for cars), of course only one of the now two plugs must be connected,
                              but now you also have a second "usual battery-charger" which always is good if the other one is lost, broken, somewhere else or whatever!
                              And by the way buying of such charger would costs around 100 bucks so under special circumstances you can safe alot of money, too.


                              So for the moment only one larger project is left until everything around the DeepHunter would be just perfect:
                              I need another flat plastic-wheel-roller but with 3 or 4 wheels instead of two for most comfortable draging of the 1 meter coil with the broad side!

                              If this is finished one of the really important chapters of treasure hunting here will start:
                              How deep is the detection really (under reality conditions and not in air tests etc.) with a 1 meter coil!

                              And believe me - a metal detector that can't work with a 1 meter coil only is worth the half!
                              Depending on the area and the finds there, a distance of 1,5-3 meters coil to metal object is nothing! Absolutly nothing !!!

                              It's a very short distance if you check out how large some walls or buildings are!
                              And if those little 25-40cm coils can't reach that far, the whole metal-detector is useless for those "real treasure locations".
                              That's the reason why the engineers of the DeepHunter have now created this genious all in one machine which finds from ultra small to super deep!

                              But as long as we have no antigravitation-tricks , wheels are needed, or at least a second person to hold the 1m coil (which is not always available).
                              And walking in the middle of a 1m pulse induction coil also is no solution! Because the coil will detect the electronic-unit which hangs around your neck.

                              But as the next super solution Makro Group really could create a 2 feet (66cm) oval DD-coil !

                              Because of the DeepHunters high contrast-factor output, stability and sensitivity,
                              such a handholdable! coil still would detect coins but it would be enourmous deep, too !!!

                              This coil must contain copper-claded-alu wire for good power and weight - and the whole coil should not be heavier than 1,5 kg.
                              I hope if I write this here now, no production-spys or economy-agents will steal this idea and use it for their own detectors, but I guess the chances are low, because first they would need a detector that is able to work with such a large motion DD coil at all and on a real useful basis, like the DeepHunter or Jeohunter can with ease.

                              Many MD producers think the treasure hunting sites are just 10x10 meters small and so their little coils would be good enough for everything.
                              Thats wrong! This world is huge and a small coil is like a drop in a glass of water! Its high time everyone in the MD business understands this.


                              And the absolutly sensation would be a very large coil that contains special additional smaller coils to find absolutly everything at the same time!
                              If you should have interesting ideas into this direction, you're highly welcome! Because this will be the future!
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                                DeepHunter 32cm coil depth special diagram

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                                Here comes the answer to the before asked question: "Do you really wanna detect such super small finds?"
                                (see posted pictures above)



                                Of course it is the best if the detector will react even on the smallest metal-objects!
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                                1:
                                That way it is possible to find even 5mm small gold-nuggets (and mostly those are not much larger) with the usual standard coil!

                                2:
                                The much more sensitive the detector is, the more the coil has not be absolutly directly over the find if it comes to larger depths!



                                While walking and searching the coils center is just every 10-50cm directly over something, depending on the walk speed.
                                But sweeping in just 10cm rows is only realistical for very small hunting sites because it can take "ages".

                                So for usual and really effective treasure hunting it is crucial important from how far horizontally distance the coil still catches the signal !!!
                                Yes, horizontally! Or imagine some 30° angle which directs from the coils center somekind below to the surface of the site.

                                Thats why now I have created a special diagram to show you first time in metal-detection history the horizontal detection distances.

                                And a coil that is able to detect 5mm small metal pieces at 7,5cm (3 inches) depth of course is much better to detect larger stuff if it
                                is not directly vertically below the coils center. As you can see on the diagram, starting at around just 15mm the finds even can be
                                "outside of the coils covered search area". But this is only possible with high sensitive detectors.

                                Of course it is clear that with such super sensitivity you can't wear shoes which contain alot metal and search just 20cm infront of them.
                                And in reality the straight lines of the diagram are more like bows. I made them straight for more easy understanding of the relation
                                between depth and horizontal sensitivity.

                                The coil creates a spherical shaped field and the finds largest metal surface should show with its flat site into the coils direction
                                for most sensitive detection. Per instance: a coin should be positioned horizontally in the ground so the coils EM-field can "touch"
                                the biggest available surface of the find to create the best and most powerful possible eddy-currents.

                                The posted picture shows the values for the DeepHunter's oval 32cm coil which is 26cm broad and 32cm wide.
                                For the larger C47 coil (ca. 45cm wide and 35cm long) you can add 20cm to 100cm more depth for the larger finds.

                                The vertical to horizontal detection sensitivity ratio is ca. 2,5 to 1 and remains the same for both DeepHunter coils!

                                If the find is more vertically positioned in the ground or if it shows with its flat side in direction if the coil,
                                it is better detectable beyond the coils sweeping-area. And of course for oval DD coils this "out of reach"-sensitivity
                                is better if the find is located left or right (below) the coil and not in front or behind the coil.
                                For a totally round coil it wouldn't matter what direction but for DD coils the sensitivity at left or right is
                                around 60% better compared with those of front and behind. But because of the DD position while walking
                                left and right comes automatically while sweeping more in contact with the "search-borders" while the front position
                                gets covered by the next step and sweeps while walking, anyway.

                                The shown diagram represent real values from buried objects (not in air) and with the coil ca. 5cm distance to the ground.
                                Depending on the sensitivity settings, the surrounding electro-smog situation and if you move the coil directly over the ground
                                up to 30% better results are possible, especially for smaller finds (5mm to 25mm).

                                In-air test results would be much better if you listen to the slightest detection signal-changes, but those would be not realistical
                                enough, because while walking and from the changing mineralization level of the soil and coil ground distance only verifyable and
                                enough strong signals are really usable.

                                Compare it with a very weak radio station that vanishes in the static noise and the radio no longer can detect it,
                                no matter how high sensitive the receiver-cicuit and the antenna is!

                                But the DeepHunter's new motion circuit creates a very tough and stable EM-field which is much more resistant if it comes to irritations
                                from all kind of distortion sources compared with all those "weak battery detectors". The shine of a powerful light-house can be seen even
                                if there is some fog over the sea while a weak lamp soon becomes blurred and invisible. And this is the same for metal-detectors -
                                they may work pretty fine if there are no distortions (= @ in-air tests without e-smog), but soil, moistore, moving the coil and mineraliziation
                                are already huge distortions and thats why only the stronger detectors work really reliable and reach the real depths.

                                Thats also the reason why only detectors with "hang around the neck boxes" like the DeepHunter are really powerful and useful enough.
                                Otherwise either those became to heavy to work with after a short time or the battery is too weak for a real powerful enough signal
                                or the signal is OK but the battery lasts just for a very short time.


                                I give you all this info for free and thanks to this forum and their owner and moderators you can get it for free because I will show
                                you: The perfectionating way of metal-detection! This includes better technology but also better understanding of the important factors
                                and last but not least the real treasure hunting experience and how the theory proves itself under real conditions. All this really counts
                                and it leads to success and the best results.

                                Luckily we now live in times where very powerful and relative lightweight LiPo batteries are available plus the electronic is now at a
                                level where even 50 volt devices are no longer a "forbidden domain" for the usual technical interested person and so it will be just a
                                matter of time to create detectors which have the double depth-power as its the actual standard. The DeepHunter uses already 15v
                                battery input and compared with 6v detectors there is already a huge stability and depth difference!

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