There is only one detector better than Deus - it is Deus with larger coil!

[MartinB]

Finally, after 10 years (and a few months more); I decided to replace the batteries on the Deus, on the remote and on the coil.
This is the first time (I know it sounds unbelievable, when it comes to me) that I opened my remote and coil!
Because... in the meantime, I changed the batteries for others, so I've already seen the inside, that's the only reason.
The batteries were supplied to me by a friend on Aliexpress. At a good price.
The "original" replacement set is 50e !!! For one battery!!! So that's the main reason I've been putting this off.
Such prices are an insult to intelligence.
And these batteries from Ali are 10x cheaper.
The original batteries didn't completely fail, they could still be used, so I put them aside and will keep them.

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When I opened the coil to take out the old battery, I smelled a characteristic smell, the kind Lipo batteries emit when the casing is punctured or cut.
And it seems to me that that battery is very slightly inflated. In the end; it also showed a decrease in capacity, while the battery in the remote still did not.
Still... 10 full years! A rare case indeed.
I think the main "formula for success" is that I never put away the detector and the coil without first putting both on the charger and charging the batteries to the end.
Always after returning from the field.
And when I don't often go to the field, I regularly recharge the batteries every 20 days.
This type of Lipo battery seems to require constant attention and "tension".
Another possible reason may be that Deus does not "pull" the current suddenly, but consumes it constantly and evenly at the same pace.
And there is one more thing, never in these 10 years have I changed the TX power. It is always at the default value.
These are all just assumptions, maybe not all of them are true. But it is worth mentioning.

Which is the new battery and which is the old?

[ivconic]

Which is the new battery and which is the old?

The one with 700mA is new one.

[MartinB]

The one with 700mA is new one.

Thank you.
My batteries are also more than 10 years old so probably time for changing.

[ivconic]

Thank you.
My batteries are also more than 10 years old so probably time for changing.

Unfortunatelly I lost the direct link, try to search on Aliexpress.
After initial charging, several days ago; from time to time I am checking the state of the batteries.
It shows 100% full at both.
Seems it was a good trade.

[urge38]

I am NOT a Deus 2 fan I have to say.

I swung one (or should I say two) for three weeks

I found quite a few problems with the two I had.

if you turned on the unit in programme beach P it would give a different audio response to if you switched from an other program into beach P (obviously a software issue but non the less,

This, being the first unit, it was overly sensitive and unusable in standard, out off the box programs,

it go changed for a replacement unit, the second unit was so much smother on the beach but now, but it lacked any depth or power, this second control box still had the issue with starting in beach P, but to a lesser amount BUT now the clock kept losing time,

The last straw came when the Ariel for water use started weeping water up from the coil clip, the copper cable was not liking the salt water at all.

NOT a grate start from what should have not issues before going to market,

I can buy a cheap ?5 watch from any market and it will keep time,

no one thinks of the end user and the time lost with after sale issues, NOT impressed to be honest

[ivconic]

That does it!
You are not the first one reporting various issues with new Deus II.
I heard too many reports with too many different issues... that i can stand.
So my final decision is not to buy the Deus II until several years passed and they eventually put on market the flawless version.
Even then i will wait reports from others to asure me it is the right thing.
Thanks for sharing here your experiences with the Deus II.

[urge38]

NOT trying to big myself up, but I have a quite peculiar brain, I must be on the spectrum somewhere lol, but I have an extremely high sense of awareness, I pick up on the tiniest of detail or difference, much to the annoyance of others.

My point being, to me, the two Deus 2s I had, were like chalk and cheese.

The second replacement control box I could swear was a manufacture second,

but my point is, these and all detectors to that matter should be free from defect straight out of the box,

On a positive note, I did absolutely love the construction of the control box, it felt extreme well made,

[ivconic]

NOT trying to big myself up, but I have a quite peculiar brain, I must be on the spectrum somewhere lol, but I have an extremely high sense of awareness, I pick up on the tiniest of detail or difference, much to the annoyance of others.

My point being, to me, the two Deus 2s I had, were like chalk and cheese.

The second replacement control box I could swear was a manufacture second,

but my point is, these and all detectors to that matter should be free from defect straight out of the box,

On a positive note, I did absolutely love the construction of the control box, it felt extreme well made,

Every their product is well made.
I've been following XP from their early days.
I had several XP models, all of them very good for the time they appeared on market.
Very nice performers on the soil.
After all, i started this topic 10 years back, and still am standing behind my words from the first posts on this topic.
And still am keeping my Deus 1 and using it. Still satisfied with it.
Deus 2 interests me. Logically.
But the problem is lack of money to buy it.
And now these recent bad reports from first customers.
All what's happening in the Deus 1 and now in the Deus 2; is happening in the code.
Hardware is there only to support main processor. And everything else is in the code.
So, if there are some issuess with first series of the Deus 2; then i tend to beleive those issues are most likely related to the code and less likely to the hardware.
Though; i would not rule out even that possibility, that something may be wrong in the hardware too.
But accoridng to collected experiences so far; most likely it is about the code.
And that's good news. Because what's bad in code: can be easily overcame with new updates, hopefully.
Now i am waiting time to pass, we to see several new updates and than to read new reports.
If they manage to fix the issues with new updates; then Deus 2 is still in the game.

[MartinB]

NOT trying to big myself up, but I have a quite peculiar brain, I must be on the spectrum somewhere lol, but I have an extremely high sense of awareness, I pick up on the tiniest of detail or difference, much to the annoyance of others.

My point being, to me, the two Deus 2s I had, were like chalk and cheese.

The second replacement control box I could swear was a manufacture second,

but my point is, these and all detectors to that matter should be free from defect straight out of the box,

On a positive note, I did absolutely love the construction of the control box, it felt extreme well made,

I think the problem here might be tolerance. I suspect that like many other things, the Deus 2 is built to price rather than quality. Some machines will operate close to the top end of the tolerance range and therefore perform better than those which operate closer to the bottom end of the tolerance range, with the remainder operating somewhere in between. If you are lucky enough to purchase a machine which operates at the upper end, then you have a great machine. However, if you buy a machine which operates at the lower end, then you will be disappointed. Anywhere in between will probably be regarded as acceptable. It is like most things in life, a gamble. The only answer is for Deus to tighten their tolerance range to + or - 0% thus ensuring that every machine operates at its optimum performance. This is what I would expect for the money.

[ivconic]

I think the problem here might be tolerance. I suspect that like many other things, the Deus 2 is built to price rather than quality. Some machines will operate close to the top end of the tolerance range and therefore perform better than those which operate closer to the bottom end of the tolerance range, with the remainder operating somewhere in between. If you are lucky enough to purchase a machine which operates at the upper end, then you have a great machine. However, if you buy a machine which operates at the lower end, then you will be disappointed. Anywhere in between will probably be regarded as acceptable. It is like most things in life, a gamble. The only answer is for Deus to tighten their tolerance range to + or - 0% thus ensuring that every machine operates at its optimum performance. This is what I would expect for the money.

That makes sense. I remember when the Deus 1 came out. I bought the "second" or "third" series, in 2012.
It was the "first" series that did not have a magnet on the remote but a plastic part for mounting on the shaft.
It seems I was lucky, because it was still a very high quality production.
Proof of this is the duration and reliability of work. Even after 10 years, the machine works just as well.
And I replaced the batteries only recently, which is rare.
However, as a "serviceman", I later met with newer series where there was an obvious decline in quality.
More and more defects, failures and faults. I noticed this more on coils and less on remotes.
On average, 10% of the remotes failed immediately after a couple of weeks of operation or, at best, after a couple of months.
And there was nothing that could be done, except to send the remote control back to an authorized service center.
Based on "insider" information; I know for a fact that they don't service anything in the service centers either, but replace old pcbs with new ones.
On machines like Deus; it is cheaper to replace the pcb with a new one; rather than servicing a broken pcb.
The automated process of making a complete pcb is so fast and cheap these days that it is pointless to waste time and resources on troubleshooting an old pcb.
But when it comes to XP (and ML), even though it's all really cheap; they charge such "services" stupidly and obscenely expensive!
When it comes to the Gold Max Power and Gmaxx II models, the situation is a little different, some pcbs can be serviced.
And as for coils; the average is worse, almost 30% of coils fail in the first couple of months and about 5% have some defect while they are new in the package.
Of course, take all of this with a grain of salt.
I live in a small country, with a small population, even fewer detectors, even fewer who have one of the XP detectors.
So those statistics of mine are not valid for larger markets.
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The "education" of the user should also be taken into account. How will they treat the equipment as owners.
With knowledge, attention and according to the instructions... or with complete ignorance, like a wild pig that broke into a pastry shop.
In my "career" I have seen everything!
From a state of positive "disorder" of the relationship towards the beloved detector to a state of total negative "disorder"!
I belong a little bit to the first ones. My detector is a "holy place" for me. And with that I said everything.
But I also saw a lot of consequences on detectors whose owners are small-minded "wild pigs"...
So we can't put all the blame on the manufacturer.

[ivconic]

Today are different and new times. I bet over 30% (maybe more) of the forum members are already using services like JLPcb or PCBWay or some similar.
Many of us have already completely switched to SMT technology.
We all know that making a much more complicated pcb than the one carried by Deus; so cheap it's just unbelievable!
10 such pcbs will cost no more than $7-8 and plus standard postage no more than $10-15.
And if, along with the production of the pcb itself, we also order a complete assembly with most of the components; the price is still incredibly low.
So making a complete Deus pcb with all components would be $20-30 per piece at most.
Even that is a big price, for larger quantities the price drops drastically.
But they (XP, ML and similar) will charge you at least 20-30x more to replace the pcb.
What do they charge?
Code in the processor. And the fact that you as a customer have no choice.
We know that XP has grown into a mega-producer, producing millions of copies.
So the whole story is so much uglier. That kind of arrogance and rapacity just annoys me.
And ML is even worse. I'm actually not sure; which of the two companies is worse in relation to customers.

[Locator]

Which is the depth of Deus(with big coil)for a helmet in the soil?

Regards

[eclipse]

Took the deus 2 this week to a place where Gpx5000 pulled 3 coins in 5 minutes and i had zilch signals. Just beep and chattering. For the same money ad deus 2 you could get second hand gpx and in my book thats better. Still havent sold mine but i feel the day is near.

[MartinB]

Took the deus 2 this week to a place where Gpx5000 pulled 3 coins in 5 minutes and i had zilch signals. Just beep and chattering. For the same money ad deus 2 you could get second hand gpx and in my book thats better. Still havent sold mine but i feel the day is near.

I would expect the GPX5000 to better for the price which almost ?3K more than the Deus. Sadley, I can't afford GPX5000

[eclipse]

Look for used Gpx which starts at 1500-1800.